Reuben's Electric Return: JGB at Portland Civic Auditorium, January 14, 1984

LN jg1984-01-14.jgb.all.aud-faintych.32333.flac1644

"Reuben And Cherise" (s2t06): first electric performance since 1978! Jerry had brought a bunch of the Cats stuff back in '83. This was the last to re-appear. (Gomorrah: 5/21/83 [electric]; Rhapsody In Red: 5/26/83; Cats: 6/3/83).

Jerry sounds good throughout, as, especially, does Kemper.

These pre-coma 80s JGB Knockin's are so sweet and lilting.

Rhapsody In Red? Yes, please.

A F pulled a killer balcony tape this night. Nice and full.

JERRY GARCIA BAND
Civic Auditorium
222 SW Clay Street
Portland, OR 97201
January 14, 1984 (Saturday)
Faintych balcony MAC shnid-32333

--set I (6 tracks, 5 tunes, 48:05)--
s1t01. ambience (1) [0:35]
s1t02. I'll Take A Melody [13:31] [0:05] %
s1t03. [0:09] The Way You Do The Things You Do [8:45] [0:06] %
s1t04. /When I Paint My Masterpiece [#9:01] [0:09] %
s1t05. Run For The Roses [5:11] [0:11]
s1t06. Deal [10:13] (2) [0:09]

--set II + encore (6 tracks, 62:59)--
--set II (5 tracks, 56:00)--
s2t01. [0:05] Harder They Come [12:20] [0:06] %
s2t02. [0:08] Mission In The Rain [11:30] [0:07] %
s2t03. [0:09] Cats Under The Stars [9:00] [0:06] %
s2t04. Knockin' On Heaven's Door [11:18] [0:02] %
s2t05. Rhapsody In Red [10:57] (3) [0:10] %
--encore (1 track, 6:59)--
s2t06. [0:05] Reuben And Cherise [6:47] [0:06]

! ACT1: Jerry Garcia Band #21a
! lineup: Jerry Garcia - guitar, vocals;
! lineup: John Kahn - bass;
! lineup: Melvin Seals - keyboards;
! lineup: Jacklyn LaBranch - backing vocals;
! lineup: DeeDee Dickerson - backing vocals;
! lineup: David Kemper - drums.

JGMF:

! Recording: symbols: % = recording discontinuity; / = clipped song; // = cut song; ... = fade in/out; # = truncated timing; [x:xx] = recorded event time. The recorded event time immediately after the song or item name is an attempt at getting the "real" time of the event. So, a timing of [x:xx] right after a song title is an attempt to say how long the song really was, as represented on this recording.

! Jerrybase: https://jerrybase.com/events/19840114-01

! db: https://etreedb.org/shn/16710 (AUD, shnf); https://etreedb.org/shn/28905 (Otto Rice MAC); https://etreedb.org/shn/32333 (this fileset); https://etreedb.org/shn/101128 (sbd); https://etreedb.org/shn/151289 (Severson 1648); https://etreedb.org/shn/151327 (Severson 2496).

! map: https://goo.gl/maps/cwYVm4iqi6R2

! JGBP: https://jerrygarciasbrokendownpalaces.blogspot.com/2011/09/civic-auditorium-222-southwest-clay-st.html

! R: field recordist: Andrew Faintych

! R: field recording gear: Sony ECM-99A stereo mic > Marantz PMD-340

! R: field recording media: 2x Maxell XL-II 90

! R: field recording location: Center Box 9, mic on the balcony rail just left of center

! R: transfer: MAC > Sony TC-D5M > Soundblaster > WAV > Soundforge > CD-Wave > TLH v.1.0.0.72 (SBE-OK, Flac compression, checksums) > bt.etree Jan 2006.

! R: taper/seeder notes: There was a tape flip at 9:39 near the end of Deal. This was patched using nine seconds from shn-id source 16710. I also used seven seconds from that source to cover the beginning of Harder They Come, which was missing. Masterpiece and Run for the Roses have clipped beginnings; these were also clipped on 16710, so no new material could be added. Also, Rhapsody in Red is missing the opening notes due to a tape flip after Heaven's Door. I used Soundforge to match levels and pitch on the patched-in bits. On the master, I used Soundforge to make fades, edit out blurry pause-button moments, and to even-out the levels where needed. This venue has since been renamed the Keller Auditorium, and has a seating capacity of 2992. This was the only GD related event held at this venue. Taped and transferred by Andrew F. ENJOY!

! P: overall: super high energy performance throughout. Jerry sounds rarin' to go! Kemper is a beast, and even Kahn sounds strong this night. It could all be this cool balcony tape, but that's how it feels.

! s1t01 (1) taper's neighbor: "Is this a microphone? Are you makin' a tape?"

! R: s1t04 WIPMM clips in

! P: s1t04 WIPMM Jerry sounds engaged

! P: s1t06 Deal Kemper banging, Jerry wailing, John hitting some big notes 7:30-8.

! s1t06 (2) JG: "We're gonna take a break for a few minutes. We'll be back [inaudible]"

! P: s2t01 Kemper does a thing at 9:15 that just slays me

! P: s2t03 CUTS good. I really like the guitar work 6ish.

! P: s2t04 KOHD early 80s versions of this tune were just picture-perfect. Melvin makes them great, loping and lilting. On this version, Kahn also sounds outstanding. The tape really gets him pretty well. Some vocal roughness, but he never totally loses it.

! P: s2t05 RIR great energy. Just because: https://whitegum.com/~acsa/songfile/RHAPSODY.HTM. Hugely layered guitar work in 6, big rock and roll. Huge fanning passages 9:30.

! s2t05 (3) JG: "Thanks a lot. See ya later."

! song: "Reuben And Cherise" (s2t06): first electric performance since 1978! Jerry had brought a bunch of the Cats stuff back in '83. This was the last to re-appear. (Gomorrah: 5/21/83; Rhapsody In Red: 5/26/83; Cats: 6/3/83).

! R: s2t06 for some reason a little more muffled for this tune.

Palm Sunday

I know today is Easter, but JGBP tipped me off to a reddit AMA with Donna Jean the other day, and she provided this great memory from the Cats Under the Stars sessions:

It was about 4 o'clock in the morning, and Jerry and I were singing the duet on Palm Sunday, and we had the microphone on omni, so we were facing one another singing this song. It was probably the most soulful singing experience I ever had. It was a beautiful thing. I cannot say enough about how soulful that was, singing four inches from one another and singing that song. It's something I'll never forget.

Cool.

! ref: https://www.reddit.com/r/gratefuldead/comments/88dm78/hey_yall_its_donna_jean_ill_be_over_here_at_600/dwk2i0h/

Come back for Garcia Band. Come back, come back.

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I love these March '78 interviews. 3/11/78 is my absolute favorite, all kinds of great stuff. This one has less going on, but still interesting to the likes of me.

Jerry Garcia Band Interview
WCMF-FM Studios
129 Leighton Avenue
Rochester, NY 14614
March 10, 1978 (Friday) afternoon
46 minute Alan Zimmerman FM cassette

(7 tracks, 46:25)
jg19780310d3t001. Reuben and Cherise (album version) [3:45]
jg19780310d3t002. talk (1,2,3) [3:39]
jg19780310d3t003. Rain [5:46]
jg19780310d3t004. talk (4,5,6,7) [15:55] %
jg19780310d3t005. Love in the Afternoon [3:58]
jg19780310d3t006. talk (8,9,10,11,12,13) [10:46]
jg19780310d3t007. Gomorrah [2:40]

! Band: Interview
! personnel: Jerry Garcia
! personnel: John Kahn
! personnel: Donna Jean Godchaux
! personnel: ?? (primary interviewer)

JGMF:

! Recording: symbols: % = recording discontinuity; / = clipped song; // = cut song; ... = fade in/out; # = truncated timing; [ ] = recorded event time. The recorded event time immediately after the song or item name is an attempt at getting the "real" time of the event. So, a timing of [x:xx] right after a song title is an attempt to say how long the song really was, as represented on this recording.

! TJS: none.

! db: shnid 82210 (this fileset)

! map: https://goo.gl/maps/4fyWc14xjgm

! seealso: JGMF, "One of the Great Interviews of the Garciaverse," http://jgmf.blogspot.com/2012/11/jg1978-03-11interview45minsfm-gefen.html.

! seealso: JGMF, "The Little Engine That Could," https://jgmf.blogspot.com/2017/12/the-little-engine-that-could.html, for show listening notes. Spoiler: it didn't slay me.

! R: Recordist: Alan Zimmerman; over-air FM broadcast (WCMF, 96.5 FM) >  cassette, unknown gear;

! R: Transfer and FLAC encoding by David Minches: Master played back on Nakamichi Dragon > Digital Audio Labs Card Deluxe soundcard > Adobe Audition > flac encoding > FLAC.

! historical: John Kahn sounds zonked.

! t02 (1) talk about having just been in Rochester with the GD a few months prior. JG: "Rochester keeps calling us back. 'Come back for Garcia Band. Come back, come back.'"

! t02 (2) @ 1:14 Q How did Maria get involved with the tour?" JG: "Well, uhhhh ... luck, I suppose. [Donna chuckles sweetly] Actually, what happened was that back when I did an album about 3 or 4 years ago and John produced it and he had Maria come in to do some vocal work on the record. Since then we've worked kind of informally. And John and Maria live together. [He swallows his words a little bit. Asks John, aside, "if that's OK, if you don't mind my mentioning that?" JK: "Oh, it's quite all right."] And so on this album she participated a lot, too, on the vocals and stuff and she's also accompanied us on a few other tours. And it's neat to have her singing with us. Donna and Maria sing really well together and they like working together. So, just, chemically it works out really nicely." DJG: "We don't fly together [?], you know." JG: "And I like having all those pretty girls onstage." [Kahn laughs.]

! t02 (3) DJ: we have a super advanced pressing of your latest album. We heard a test pressing just before we left CA 3 or 4 days ago. Record radio stations will be getting promo copies, in record stores soon.  @0250 "What kinds of musical directions are you trying to take on this record? There's a touch of reggae in it--" JG: "Every direction. We don't really have a style, except that it's all us." JK: "It sounds like us, is the direction. It's trying to sound the most like us of anything we've done so far." Song introduction "Rain", written by Donna, orchestration and arrangement by John Kahn.

! t04: DJ (4) Young kids still into the Dead. What do you attribute that to? JG: we've been lucky in having a spotty record career. No real big hits. contra formulaic thing, slam-bang show. Exciting the first time. The theatrics. You realize you're seeing the same thing, that gets to be dull. Audience doesn't want to ... DJ: so when you take the stage, do you have any songs in mind? JG we don't know what we're gonna do. We have a low boredom index. It would be horribly boring for us to do the same shows all the time. Constitutionally incapable of doing it. some times a dud, other times magical, miraculous. Exceptionally high concentration of coincidence. Musical coincidences are occurring way higher than the law of probability would allow them to be. Like magic. People come to that because there's something genuine about it. A mysterious thing. Something that people require. Being encouraged by the audience. Audience is participating. This talk is vague between GD vs. JG. Jerry can't identify great moments per se. completely out of our hands high energy environment ... in this testing situation. people follow all around the country. Maybe they asked him not to mention GD?

! personnel: t04 @ 4:55 JK sounds totally wrecked

! t04 (5) @0846 working with Robert Hunter. JK sometimes Garcia will have pages of words and write music to that. Or sometimes we'll write music that doesn't have words and give that to him. So it goes different directions. JG: All kinds of fine tuning possibilities. I'll have ideas that have vocal phrasing and sing the phrasings to him. We work very freely together."

! t04 (6) domestic scenes. @0956 Do you live and work together. Too many of us to live together. @1030 JG Basically we all have our own scenes and families and so forth ... or whatever. We're all, live near each other, and we hang out an awful lot together, we spend more hours together than we do living anywhere else. @1055 DJG we'll be playing at place called Keystone "Long time, no see." We've chosen to work that way.

! t05 (7) Club Front @11:33 studio setup. @1139 JG This record is the first record from that studio. ... This record is the first thing from that studio, which ... was partly funded ... partly built from the budget that I was allowed to make this record. It's quite well equipped. It has a really nice Neve console, from England, and a really nice Studer machine, Swiss, and it's an excellent sounding room. It's a very large room and it really sounds very pretty. Has very pretty vocal sound, pretty instrumental sound. We're really delighted with the results. We're real happy." #Club Front

! t04 (7) DJ ask John for song intro JK "Influenced by reggae music, which I love a whole lot. Reggae was the most significant thing that happened, for bass players, in ten years maybe." More reggae talk JK: "We might have heard the best reggae records." JG: "I don't think there's going to be some kind of explosion. It's a local thing. It has a limited appeal. But from a musician's standpoint it has some very interesting things that American music could use right now." DJ: "Like what?" JG: "A rhythmic approach, a whole approach to rhythm that has to do with standing on the rhythm in a certain way. The easiest way I can relate to it is to figure about 93 degrees, with about a hundred percent humidity, in the middle of somewhere, just goin' real slow, y'know? [he has a grin]. And it has a steadiness to it that comes from a kind of island life, like the surf, y'know ... and the thing about the bass playing, that John was saying, the sense of the rhythmic ... the holes, the spaces, having rhythmic value, in the same sense of that positive-negative image sense. So, the holes have the same kind of rhythmic values that the notes do, and that gives it a tremendous power, and a lovely kind of rhythmic thing." JK: "as a bass player, a long time ago, especially r and b records, old motown records, the bassline was one of the most important elements, counterpoint to the vocal, and the drums. Music has gotten away from that now. ... music directly related to the bassline has died out in America, and it's an element of reggae music that appeals a lot to me." #reggae

! t04 DJ started spinning Palm Sunday instead, accidentally.

! t06 (8) current music: Elvis Costello JG: "I like it." likes some New Wave. Really like Cheap Trick. What I like about it is the spirit. They're puttin' out. They're trying hard. The heavy duty production trick ... the glib slickness so mechanical and predictable and safe. It's a formula trip. Raw and real nasty, and the players are not very good, but the spirit ... young people can always dig that. JK: I dig it. I'm not young anymore. 5-min mark talking about The Who

! t06 (9) @0645 solo project outside the GD. JG "It's an illusion. The illusion is that these are solo projects, when they're really not solo projects. Like what we do in this band, it's no solo project. It's really a group contribution, and believe me, it's not a matter of my own personal activity. I am involved with people who care about music the same way that I do, we have an affinity for each other, we enjoy working together, and, for me, a group dynamic is way more interesting than the concept of a solo project. I've done one solo project, my first solo record, in which I was foolish enough to try to play everything on it myself and I was really bored with it, fundamentally, because you already know everything that happened, there's no surprises. The thing of working with other people, that somebody's gonna shed a new kind of light on an idea of yours ... it gives you something to work with ... there's electricity, or chemistry, or something like that." #solo vs GD

! t06 (10) @0746 DJ is it true that the banjo was your first instrument? @0747 JG: "Yeah, it was my first serious instrument. DJ: "And then you went to the guitar, and then the electric guitar, because it was more of an extension of--" JG: "Uhh, I've, well, for me, the banjo got to be so, uhhh ... [long pause] [JK: "Swiss watch-like." JG: "Right.] Like a Swiss watch. It was like a cuckoo clock or a Swiss watch. It got to be tremendously mechanical and I, finally just had a tremendous reaction to it, it's like, 'I really can't make music with this instrument. I want something that moves the way a voice moves. I want to be able to play more expressively. ... I just burned myself out on the banjo, really, is what it boils down to." DJG: "It's kind of a one-toned ..." JG: "Yeah, it's got one thing going for it." DJ @0835: Do you ever think about going back doing something like the OAITW record? @0837 JG "For me, it was the music ... [cross talk that John was also involved] And for me, the neat thing, my whole interest in the banjo even was really not so much the banjo itself, but bluegrass music as a style of music. And it's the music that I cared about, rather than the banjo by itself. So it's very hard for me to, say, sit at home and practice the banjo. If the music were there --in other words, if I were out playing with friends, a couple of nights a week-- I could get into it. But really the music matters to me more than the banjo does." JK: "Yeah, really, it's a beautiful kind of music." JG: "It is, it's really neat music." JK: "But, y'know, I couldn't see practicing ... either ... uhhh ... [JG, laughing: "No." Some chuckling, as if the thought of practicing is hilarious.] DJG: "Jerry doesn't think he plays the banjo or the steel guitar" JK: "We're all crazy like that, that's normal" (??). #banjo

! t06 (11) @0927 DJG: "He's talking about his first record, my four year old listens to it three or four times a day." JK: "I like that, too. ... I remember going in there and watching him play bass on that." JG: "Oh Jeez, that was embarassing." JK: "No it wasn't."

! t06 DJ we should wrap things up, get them to soundcheck.

! t06 (12) DJG: "Singing with Maria's great." Stress the point that Maria is part of the band. JG: "Yeah."

! t06 (13) JG introduces Gomorrah. JG: "This is an Old Testament song. Everybody knows about Sodom, but this song is about Gomorrah."

Cats in the Studio: September 1977

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I can’t write up everything I have gathered around the recording of Garcia’s 1978 masterpiece Cats Under the Stars, not now, and, alas, perhaps not ever in any true sense of the word “everything”. Once I write the book I plan on just throwing open all of my materials and letting others have at it insofar as they might care to.

The Dead organization’s calendar for the month of September 1977 listed Garcia in the new Front Street studio (built for the recording of Cats) from September 6-22 for overdubs, mixing, and mastering. Let me just briefly drop a few notes from a one week, Friday September 16, 1977 through Thursday the 22^nd, based on the union paperwork. All of these sessions were paid by Arista Records and the named artist is Jerry Garcia Band. The union scale looks to be $110 for a three-hour session.

Friday, 9/16/77, 6 pm

Session leader: Merl Saunders, 1353 17^th Avenue, San Francisco (double scale)

Also: Jerry Garcia (address a PO box in Corte Madera), John Kahn (a different PO box in Corte Madera), Keith Godchaux (PO box 1073, San Rafael, i.e., the Dead’s business address) and Ron Tutt (a PO box in Topanga).

Song: “Rubin”

Monday, 9/19/77, two sessions, 5-8 pm and 8-midnight

Session leader: Kahn (double scale)

Also: Garcia (1^st session only), Tutt, Saunders (double scale)

Song: “Rain”

Tuesday, 9/20/77, 3-6 pm

Session leader: Keith (double scale)

Also: Kahn, Tutt, Saunders (double scale)

Song: “Rhapsody In Red”

Tuesday, 9/20/77, 7-10 pm

Session leader: Merl (double scale)

Also: Garcia, Kahn, Godchaux, Tutt

Song: “Rhapsody In Red”

Wednesday, 9/21/77, 2-5pm

Session leader: Kahn (double scale)

Also: Godchaux, Tutt, Bob Hogins (Petaluma, CA), Robert F. Ogdin (Nashville, TN) (4x scale), Saunders (double scale)

Song: “Gomorrah”

Wednesday, 9/21/77, 6-9pm

Session leader: Merl (double scale)

Also: Kahn, Garcia, Godchaux, Tutt, Ogdin (4x scale)

Song: “Gomorrah”

Thursday, 9/22/77 6-9pm

Session leader: Tutt (double scale)

Also: Garcia, Kahn, Godchaux, Saunders (double scale)

Song: “Love In The Afternoon”

My comments are pretty obvious, if you follow along with my MO.

First, Merl! Though there is a listing for Garcia sitting in with Merl in late 1976, I believe it’s probably spurious. After playing together steadily for almost five years, Jerry and Merl suddently stopped doing so in July 1975, for reasons that remain obscure. They picked up again in late 1978, Jerry sitting in with Merl at Shady Grove and then “reconstructing” the old gang, with some fresh tunes and arrangements, for most of 1979. Merl is credited on Cats, so this is not new information, but seeing him here all week, and getting double-scale, just makes raises all kinds of questions about the nature of these men’s relationship. I don’t get it.

Second, Bob Hogins. Discogs shows him to have been in the a Buddy Miles/Santana kind of orbit, did some work with the Rowans and Barry Melton. Keyboards, a little horns, some arranging. He is not credited in the deaddisc entry for Cats, which tells me he wasn’t credited on the record. Hm.

Third, Robert F. Ogdin of Nashville, who gets 4x scale. Discogs describes Bobby Ogdin as a “prominent american session pianist and keyboardist [who] is also Vice-president of the Nashville branch of the Recording Musicians Association.” He boasts well over 100 credits with all kinds of country stars. He crosses with Tutt in various places, and his own credits page shows Cats, despite that his name isn’t given at deaddisc (and, again, I assume, not on the record itself).

Fourth, why so many keyboard players? My hunch is that they are good with arranging, but that’s just a shot in the dark. Anyone?

Fifth, Merl gets double-scale all the time, but he is listed as leader three times, Kahn twice, and Tutt and Keith once. It seems like there was a rotation to share the double-scale leader’s pay among the guys who aren’t Jerry, consistent with what we have long understood about Jerry’s egalitarian approach to things.

Anything else jump out at you?

Reading Notes: Jon Sievert's 1978 Guitar Player interview with Jerry Garcia

Man, this is such a great interview. Sievert always connected well with Jerry.

These are my "reading notes", which just means that I am drawing quotes and dropping them back into context. So, for example, some of the pedal steel talk below has been pasted back into my materials on the pedal steel guitar and on the NRPS. There is no pretense of completeness, nor even unbiasedness. This is not a random sample. It's the stuff I think, on this read, worth noting.

As I said, some great stuff here.

Sievert, Jon. 1978. Jerry Garcia: For More Than A Decade, the Patriarch of the San Francisco Sound. Guitar Player 12, 10 (October): 44-46, 114-122, 126-136, 142.

Reading Notes

Puts John Dawson with everyone in 1964 in Mother McCree’s, but I don’t think that’s right? I don’t remember that. (Sievert 1978, 45) #NRPS #John Dawson #pre-GD

Garcia on stagnation and renewal: “I think it's something that happens to every guitar player as he keeps on playing through the years. You're struggling to learn a whole body of material, and you finally learn it and can play it expertly, and then you get bored. It becomes a Now What? situation. You're struggling to obtain ground and you reach a plateau, and then your boredom finally drives you to develop to new levels. I think that's a healthy and normal thing. I seem to go through it about once every year and a half or two years pretty regularly. That's pretty much how my metabolism seems to work. I think of myself really as a guitar student as much as a player or performer, because there's so much being developed and so much that's already been done that I'll never learn it all.” (Sievert 1978, 45).

When he’s in a renewal phase: “First I go out and buy all the new guitar method books that have come out since the last time and read through them and try out ideas and exercises. I find it really helpful to see somebody else's handle on it, because it's possible they can show me new ways of looking at the instrument or music that l hadn't considered before. The state of guitar education today is incredible compared to just 15 years ago. You can learn an astounding amount from just reading books that are available today. I'm working very hard now. I'm working hard on things that I haven't worked hard on before. I have certain exercises that I do, but it's more like working out little bits and pieces of unfinished ideas. A lot of it is just free playing, exploring for places where all of a sudden something is vague or awkward - like suddenly finding yourself in a position that's odd in relation to the key you're playing in.”  etc. (Sievert 1978, 45)

JG 1978, working hard: “I'm spending seven or eight hours a day with it. I'm trying to rebuild myself; I feel like it's time for me to do that in my playing. I don't know whether it will amount to anything, but in six months I'll know. I'm sort of in a two-year plan right now- the first pause of the next level.” (Sievert 1978, 46)

When you're not going through these intense learning periods, how much time do you usually spend with a guitar? “It depends on the schedule. When I'm on the road it's a lot more, but when I'm home I'd say I spend no less than an average of two hours a day at the absolute worst. That's like really screwing around. I think four hours is more normal for me. On the road it goes up to about six, including the show. I lose my edge in a day if I don't stay on top of it constantly. Anything more than two days and it's like being a cripple. And the more you play, the more you notice it if you miss a day. But then there's also the thing that if you're away from the guitar for two or three days sometimes you can come back with something else. Now that's not one of those things you can depend on, but sometimes it does happen just in the flow. You come back and you have a little more of something. I don't know what-confidence, new ideas, or something.” (Sievert 1978, 46)

How did your early process of music education work? “My first orientation was learning from my ear. So I learned mostly from records-Freddie King, B.B. King extensively - and, you know, everybody else. That was my first exposure, mostly because the [San Francisco] Bay Area didn't have that many guitar players back when I started playing, and there really wasn't a lot of local information, or at least I wasn't able to uncover it. For me, I would describe my own learning process as wasting a lot of time. I d id it the hardest way possible, or it seems that way now. I had to spend a lot of time unlearning things- bad habits and so forth. I think I went through as many of these unlearning cycles as I could. It was around 1972 or '73 when I finally unlearned all the things that had hung me up to that point” (Sievert 1978, 46)

“boredom and enthusiasm cycles” JG (Sievert 1978, 112)

“There are times when I wish I were a combination of a French horn and an oboe”, anticipating MIDI (Sievert 1978, 112).

Do you have an Alembic guitar? “Yeah, but I’ve never used it on a gig. I used it on recording sessions a little bit, mainly with. Merl Saunders.” (Sievert 1978, 118). I am not an axe guy, but I don’t recall knowing that he used an Alembic guitar on any of the Merl records. It’d be interesting for gear heads to try to find out where! #gear, #Merl Saunders, #official releases

#methodology Here’s Garcia contradicting himself in the same magazine, seven years apart. 1971: “There is no relationship between [guitar and banjo] except for the fact that they are fretted instruments” (Stuckey 1971 36); 1978, in response to a question about his guitar fingering technique:

“I think it has something to do with my early 5-string banjo playing” (Sievert 1978, 118). Now, he might have changed his mind, or he might have gained new insight in the interim. But it’s also possible that he is responding to questions thoughtfully, but spur-of-the moment. Who among us might not contradict ourselves? Some days I love Jerry’s banjo playing, other days not so much. Being surrounded by recording devices, like a contemporary celebrity or public figure, would flat out suck, consistency-the-hobgoblin-of-petty-minds and all that. We just need to be careful not to overinterpret any one mosaic stone. #banjo

Great line: “Generally speaking, I tend to be style conscious in terms of wanting a song to sound like the world it comes from” (Sievert 1978, 120).

You've described yourself in previous interviews as a playing junkie. Do you still play all the time? “It's what I do. And now I think I'm probably playing more nights per year than I ever have.” (Sievert 1978, 122).

GD and JGB: “Those are really the only things I'm involved with on a continuing basis, because right now they're both sophisticated, demanding, interesting, and fun enough. They're both very satisfying, and that's all I really could deal with right now and do it right.” (Sievert 1978, 122)

Who does your band consist of right now? “John Kahn, my old partner from way back, is playing bass. Buzz Buchanan, a young guy from L.A., is playing drums, plus there's Keith and Donna Godchaux from the Dead, and Maria Muldaur when she's around and she wants to. It has a nice balance of instrumental proficiency and a fine vocal thing, too-both of which I like a lot.” (Sievert 1978, 122) #JGB, #1978

Going back to the early days, why did you switch from electric to acoustic at first? “Well, economics were involved: I could get work as an acoustic player. And also, in terms of accomplishment, I wasn't very good when I stopped playing electric. I didn't really start to develop an understanding more than just a feel for the music-until I got into acoustic. It gave me that chance to be more reflective about it.” (Sievert 1978, 126) #acoustic

“Something about the rhythmic quality of fingerpicking and banjo was getting at something I wanted to develop further, but the rigidness of the banjo stopped me.” (Sievert 1978, 126) #banjo

What are some of the things you've gained playing with people like Merl Saunders? “When I was playing with Merl we did a lot of instrumental material- standards and jazz tunes and things like that. That required a whole lot of quick education for me, and Merl was responsible for that. He really helped me improve myself on a level of harmonic understanding. Playing with him required a whole different style from three-chord rock and roll or even ten-chord rock and roll; it was a whole different thing. But what I was able to bring into that situation was the ability to use odd-length runs in conventional formats. I was able to use ideas that were rhythmically uneven because of working in odd time signatures so much with the Dead. Because Merl did not work in odd times, my relationship with his rhythms made it possible for me to create ideas that were, for example, seven bars long against something that was fundamentally a 4/4 feel.” (Sievert 1978, 128)

How about your work with Howard Wales? “With Howard we never had tunes; Howard would just play through tremendously extended changes. That developed my ear to an amazing point because I had nothing to go on. I didn't even know what key we were in. Here were all these extended chords coming out, and I really had to be able to hear a correspondence somewhere. Merl helped me improve my analytical ability and to understand more about how substitution chords work in standard musical forms. Howard was a great in-between there, because his playing was so outside and totally unpredictable. Also, playing with Merl gave me a real feeling of freshness that carried over to later work with the Dead. So for me, it's very healthy to work with other people. I like doing sessions when I can, but my favorite stuff is really my own band and the Dead. Those are the two most complete experiences for me. ” (Sievert 1978, 128) #Howard Wales, #Merl Saunders, #JGB, #GD

How did Old And In The Way happen to come about? “That band was like scratching an itch I'd had for a long time. I got very much into playing 5-string banjo early on but was frustrated insofar as never really having a good band to play with. Bluegrass is band music, and I've always loved that aspect. In fact that's what I like best – band music rather than solo music. Playing with Old And In The Way was like playing in the bluegrass band I’d always want to play in. It was a great band, and I was flattered to be in such fast company. I was only sorry that my banjo chops were never what they had been when I was playing continually, though they were smoothing out toward the end.” (Sievert 1978, 128) #banjo, #1973, #oaitw, #bluegrass

What is your relationship with the pedal steel guitar these days? “I haven't played it much for quite a while, though I played it pretty steadily for about four years. I really got into it, but it kind of became an either/or situation: I found it very hard to play half the night with a pedal steel and a bar in my left hand and then switch to straight overhand guitar. The difference between a solid finger configuration and a moving arm, wrist, and fingers was too great. It was painful to the muscles. It got to where I couldn't play either of them very well, and I realized it just wouldn't work. I don't consider myself a pedal steel player, and I'm always embarrassed to see that I've placed in the Guitar Player poll.” (Sievert 1978, 128) #pedal steel guitar, #NRPS

Could you talk about your process of composition? (Sievert 1978, 128). [my copy seems to be bungled around here.]

Lots of great complimentary talk about Bob Weir as “the best rhythm guitar player on wheels right now” (Sievert 1978, 130).

“If you have the space in your life where you can be high and play and not be in a critical situation, you can learn a lot of interesting things about yourself and your relation to the instrument and music. We were lucky enough to have an uncritical situation [during the 1965-1966 Acid Tests], so it wasn't like a test of how stoned we could be and still be competent - we weren't concerned with being competent. We were more concerned with being high at the time. The biggest single problem from a practical point of view is that obviously your perception of time gets all weird. Now, that can be interesting, but from a practical standpoint I try to avoid extremes of any sort, because you have the fundamental problems of playing in tune and playing with everybody else. People have to pay a lot of money to see us, so it becomes a matter of professionalism. You don't want to deliver somebody a clunker just because you're too high. I don't, anyway.” (Sievert 1978, 130) #drugs

He works to be able to sight-read music because “there are times when I find it necessary to sketch out an idea to somebody who has a legitimate background – a string player or whatever” (Sievert 1978, 134). He and Kahn had mentioned the great player they got for Cats … I think it was a French horn. see 3/11/78 interview?

“l trade tapes.” – Jerry Garcia, 1978 (Sievert 1978, 136).

What kind of music do you listen to? “Just about everything, really. I buy lots of records, and l trade tapes. I also have a lot of friends turning me on to things, so I'm continually exposed to new music. And not only modern American music or guitar playing, but I listen to keyboard players a lot. I go through little fevers, like one time 1 suddenly got excited about orchestration and started listening to all of the Duke Ellington I could find. I went through a period- actually I'm still going through it- of listening to as much [jazz keyboard legend] Art Tatum as I can find. So much great music has already happened that catching up is a hell of a job. And there's so much new stuff coming out all the time that's so impressive.” (Sievert 1978, 136) #influences, #jazz

What do you like that's new? “It's really hard to draw a line on what's considered new. I really like AI Di Meola, George Benson, and Pat Martino. Pat's really one of my favorites; rhythmically he's really fine. There's a young flamenco player named Paco de Lucía who knocks me out. He has a beautiful flow to his (Sievert 1978, 135) music that's really rare to guitarists. And every once in a while I hear something on the radio, and I can't believe it and have no idea who it is I'm hearing.” (Sievert 1978, 136).

Elvis Costello recently said that he really likes your playing. “Oh yeah, too much. How flattering … I like his music, too. I like most of the new wave stuff- if he's considered new wave. It's obvious as they pass by who's here for keeps and who isn't. Some people have something to say, and it really gets to you no matter what you believe or think that you like. I keep an open mind. I like disco music a lot. All that stuff is interesting to me- it's all music. I like music from other cultures, too.” (Sievert 1978, 135)

“For me, playing in my band -it's like a four-piece band, essentially- is like playing in the new string quartet. It's the new conversational music where the instruments speak to each other, and you have that kind of tightness and dynamic happening- the stuff of string quartets” (Sievert 1978, 142). #JGB, #1978

“I don't have plans. I get surprised because suddenly an interesting project will come up sort of on its own accord. It's a matter of inspiration rather than long-range plans. I'm working as much as I want to now. If I wanted to work all day long, every day, I could do more, but what's the point? Right now I have more to keep me interested and occupied than I ever expected” (Sievert 1978, 142). #why, #1978

Finally Busting out Cats at the End of the Cats Tour: JGB at the Philly Spectrum, March 16, 1978

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Jerry Garcia Band
Spectrum Theater
3601 S. Broad Street
Philadelphia, PA 19148
March 16, 1978 (Thursday)
Petrunis aud shnid-124066

--complete show (10 tracks, 87:45)--
t01. The Harder They Come [10:36] % [-0:02]
t02. [+0:02] /Mission In The Rain [10:40] %
t03. /That's What Love Will Make You Do [10:25] %
t04. /Gomorrah [#7:15] %
t05. //Tore Up Over //You [#7:#48] %
t06. /Love In The Afternoon [#10:44] %
t07. //I'll Be With Thee [5:25] %
t08. //Cats Under The Stars [#7:14] [0:02] %
t09. How Sweet It Is (To Be Loved By You) [9:11] %
t10. /Midnight Moonlight// [#8:23#]

! ACT1: Jerry Garcia Band #4a
! Member: Jerry Garcia - el-g, vocals;
! Member: John Kahn - el-b;
! Member: Keith Godchaux - piano;
! Member: Buzz Buchanan - drums;
! Member: Donna Jean Godchaux - vocals;
! Member: Maria Muldaur - vocals.

JGMF:

! R: symbols: % = recording discontinuity; / = clipped song; // = cut song; ... = fade in/out; # = truncated timing; [ ] = recorded event time. The recorded event time immediately after the song or item name is an attempt at getting the "real" time of the event. So, a timing of [x:xx] right after a song title is an attempt to say how long the song really was, as represented on this recording.

! Jerrybase: https://jerrybase.com/events/19780316-01

! db: http://etreedb.org/shn/28790 (unattributed aud, possibly this source); http://etreedb.org/shn/124066 (this fileset).

! map: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=3601+S.+Broad+Street,+Philadelphia,+PA&hl=en&sll=38.997934,-105.550567&sspn=7.587664,16.907959&t=h&hnear=3601+S+Broad+St,+Philadelphia,+Pennsylvania+19148&z=17

! venue: http://jerrygarciasbrokendownpalaces.blogspot.com/2012/06/spectrum-and-spectrum-theatre-3601-s.html

! review: Matt Damsker, "Garcia Offers Some Homespun Folk-Rock," Evening Bulletin (Philadelphia), March 17, 1978, p 34. The band's "affection for casual variety was well received by approximately 6,600 fervent followers of the Dead." His basic characterization: positive about their "homespun folk-rock".

! see also: Mike Grosswald and Glen Blavat, "Jerry Garcia’s Band Under the Stars," Happytimes (Philadelphia), March 31, 1978, p. 15. See notes at http://jgmf.blogspot.com/2010/11/reading-notes-grosswald-mike-and-glen.html.

! R: field recordist: Rich Petrunis

! R: field recording gear: Sony handheld recorder

! R: field recording media: 1x Lafayette low bias cassette, no NR

! R: transfer: nak dragon > tascam hd-p2 24/96 > pc > adobe audition 2.0  > cd wave > tlh flac, transfer & seed by Rob Berger march 2013.

! R: notes: "thanks to LL's powrtoch for loaning me his Dad's masters. great sound for a hand held and a classic Mystery Cats set." There is some nice color, including folks near the taper, perhaps the folks he was with, struggling with folks standing in front of them.

! P: t01 HTC Garcia's guitar work in 5-6 minute range is potent, aggressive, exploratory. Very, very nice.

! R: t01-t02 tracking maybe a bit off. MITR cuts in.

! P: t02 MITR vocals sound OK at this point, relatively speaking. Having had the day before, two of the last three, off seems to have helped. I love the way Jerry is singing MITR here. This song wore well (thematically, if not vocally) as he suffered his travails. And I love the harmony arrangements with Donna Jean and Maria, the one's "white gospel heartiness" with the other's "white  blues sultriness" (Damsker 1978). A little madonna-whore thing going there, but whatever.

! R: t03 TWLWMYD I suspect taper might have stood up, because a minute or two in, the hi-hat is much more present. Or maybe the PA was still settling in. The Damsker review notes the below-GD-par sound quality.

! R: t03 TWLWMYD clips in

! R: t04 Gomorrah clips in

! R: t05 TUOY cuts in, splice @ 4:18

! P: t05 TUOY never really takes off, to my ears.

! R: t06 LITA clips in.

! song: Cats Under The Stars (t08): This is the first time played on this tour. Funny to be "touring behind" (really, because they were catastrophically late, "touring in front of") an album named Cats Under The Stars, and not breaking out the title tune, which I gather Jerry hoped would garner some airplay, until midway through. I suspect they finalized (and possibly began working on!) a serious live arrangement for the song on the off-day (the day before). The two known versions from '77 (11/21 and 12/2) were definitely at the "work in progress" stage.

! setlist: It is impossible to tell from this recording whether HSII and MM, or just MM, or neither, represented an encore. I would guess that MM was the encore, but I can't really tell for sure.

! P: t10 MM sounds to me like JG and BB are not on the same tempo to start, but it could be the boominess of the room and all the ambient clapping. This is a nice energetic version of MM. But Jerry is losing steam at the end.

! R: t10 SQ change, slightly more muffled, @ 3:45. Maybe had to put mics down, or someone stood in front of taper? Opens back up @ 8:02. Straight bad tape cut on the back-end, but by this time it's just as well -- not that much missing, I would guess.

! itinerary: Fly out Wednesday, March 8th (all but Tutt: United #72, DC8, SFO 9:45 a.m., arrive Cleveland 5:05 p.m.; Tutt: United #78, LAX 11:30 a.m. - Cleveland 6:40 p.m.) to start tour in Cleveland on the 9th. Shows 9-10-11-12, Monday 3/13 off. Show Tues. 14th in Boston, another day off, then this show in Philly. Staying at the Hilton, 10th & Packer, "across the street" from the venue (http://goo.gl/maps/NyEhx). This is hardly a downtown location, but it's right across from the gig and probably much better than the next night's digs, at the HoJo's in Clifton, NJ. Levon Helm and His R.C.O. All Stars opened, scheduled to go on at 7 pm, JGB on at 9 with an 11 pm closing. Five shows the three nights following, then home sweet home on TWA #25 on Monday 3/20.

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update 20170710: Here the show doesn't light me up, yet my CC aud listening notes from a month before this post include this:

The show is quite hot, IMO. MITR ends in a manic flurry. Tore Up, my notes tell me, is "ridiculous". Jerry is *really* into this Dixie Down. RIR is absolutely fantastic, with some interesting (if cheesy) vocal work by the ladies over the first guitar break and Jerry going absolutely nuts after 5:45 or so. The scratchy blow-vibe of his voice is the only mitigating factor here.

Different tapes, a month apart, very different inferences about the show.

Bullet points.

1. It's amazing that such a tape should come into the light at this late date. There are more tapes in more closets waiting to be listened to!
2. Does anyone know the status of the video tapes that were said to have been made by John Scher at the Cap?
3. Love the tour, love the setlist, some good moments, but the show doesn't light me up the way it should.

Jerry Garcia Band
Capitol Theatre
326 Monroe Street
Passaic, NJ 07055
March 17, 1978 (Friday) Late Show - 11PM
70 min (all-1) sbd via Bershaw

--late show (7 tracks, 69:52, missing first song)--
--main set (6 tracks, 62:31)--
[MISSING: The Harder They Come]
t01. Mission In The Rain [10:34] [0:26] %
t02. Russian //Lullaby [11:35] [0:29]
t03. Tore Up Over You [8:40] [2:57]
t04. Love In The Afternoon [10:25] [1:39]
t05. I'll Be With Thee [5:12] [0:19]
t06. The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down [10:00] (1) % [0:15]
--encore (1 track, 7:21)--
t07. Rhapsody In Red [7:08] [0:13] %

! ACT1: Jerry Garcia Band #4a
! lineup: Jerry Garcia - el-g, vocals;
! lineup: John Kahn - el-b;
! lineup: Keith Godchaux - piano;
! lineup: Buzz Buchanan - drums;
! lineup: Donna Jean Godchaux - vocals;
! lineup: Maria Muldaur - vocals.

JGMF:

! R: symbols: % = recording discontinuity; / = clipped song; // = cut song; ... = fade in/out; # = truncated timing; [ ] = recorded event time. The recorded event time immediately after the song or item name is an attempt at getting the "real" time of the event. So, a timing of [x:xx] right after a song title is an attempt to say how long the song really was, as represented on this recording.

! Jerrybase: https://jerrybase.com/events/19780317-06

! db: https://etreedb.org/shn/123184 (this fileset); https://etreedb.org/shn/138358 (CC aud).

! venue: http://jerrygarciasbrokendownpalaces.blogspot.com/2011/09/capitol-theater-monroe-st-and-central.html
 
! map: http://goo.gl/maps/nwnV8
 
! R: I noted a CC aud copy of this show just recently, and now a pristine sbd tape emerges. Amazing. And where are the Passaic videos, I wonder?

! R: Source: mono SOUNDBOARD cassette (copied from linear VHS videotape on June 14, 1978).

! R: Lineage: Closed Circuit In House Videotape > linear (mono) VHS Tape > Alan Bershaw's Maxell UDXL2 cassette with Dolby B (playback on Nakamichi Dragon with Dolby B in) > Lexicon Lambda > Logic (track indexing and amplifying levels only) > Wav 16/44.1-> FLAC. Transfer by Rob Nolan on September 7, 2012: Alan's CDR-> Wav 16/44.1 > FLAC.

! R: seeder notes: The only notable flaw on this recording is a glitch at 8:32 into Russian Lullaby, during John Kahn's bass solo with an unknown amount missing.

! R: seeder notes: This is a mono soundboard recording that is very clean considering the lineage. 

! P: t01 MITR reminds me again of the very distinctive vocals from this tour. They are gackshredded, which of course isn't uncommon for ca. 1978. What's really different is Garcia's phrasings. Think about the care early Dylan took with his phrasings ... this Garcia is in that same conceptual space. Partly, first, it's just managing an otolaryngological system that is getting torn to shreds by blow, among other things. (I am not sure what smoking persian would do to one's throat.) But I'd add a second piece: having just come out of the studio, and just made a record that he felt was his finest, I think he is just in an articulate-the-words kind of space. The vocals on Cats Under the Stars are stellar, and beautifully recorded by Betty in the custom-built space at Club Front. Jerry would only learn later, to his profound pain, that the album would be a commercial failure.

! P: t01 MITR there are some nice pyrotechnics here, but for whatever reason this one doesn't kick me in the crotch. I should try to listen again and see how I feel.

! R: t01 fade to splice at end of track

! P: t02 RL Kahn bass solo from about 6:55-9ish

! R: t02 glitch @ 8:32 reported by seeder. I didn't hear it.

! P: t06 TNTDODD time stops at 6:20 while everyone in the band nods off for just a second or two.

! t06 (1) JG: "Thank you. Thank you. See y'all later on." He is really, really hoarse (of course).

! R: t06 I don't hear the splice, but there must be one.

! song: t07 Rhapsody In Red is a special song selection. Listen to Donna Jean and Maria doing their album backing vocals after the 2:30 mark. So clear on this tape. They wouldn't do it very often with this precision, and this is a very good reprsentation of the genre.

! P: t07 Rhapsody In Red: John's run downs at 4:40ff are just ridiculously well-recorded. At 5:30 I want to say "rudimentary, but well-recorded", but then around 5:40 Garcia starts smashing glass with his guitar, up to 6:08. I am supposed to fall over from the fanning he just did, real rock star stuff, but, on this listen, it's doesn't cut me the way smashing glass should.

One of the Great Interviews of the Garciaverse

jg1978-03-11.interview.45mins.fm-gefen-goodbear.retracked.shn2flac

Remember, I am on hiatus until at least March 2013. Having taken this opportunity to remind you of this, as a PSA, let me also leave you something to read.

This is truly one of the great, hilarious interviews in the Garciaverse, chock full of great stuff.

Jerry Garcia Band Interview (by Andy Gefen)
WBRU-FM Studios
75 Waterman Street
Providence, RI 02912
March 11, 1978 (Saturday)
45 minute FM via Gefen-Goodbear shnid 76444 JGMF shn2flac

So, this interview has been circulating forever, but I don't recall seeing a transcription anywhere. So, I did it. It ain't 100% transcribed, but it has the stuff that interests me.

Lots of good direct quotes from Jerry about Cats, Garcia Band per se (and vs. GD, and vs. Weir's side projects), etc. Some snorting and such. Good times.


--(41tracks, 44:34)--
t01. Reuben And Cherise (album version) [5:08]
t02. Andy Gefen Introduction [1:38]
t03. Buzz Buchanan Introduction [1:01]
t04. Ten Grand And A Year in Jail [0:21]
t05. Cats Under The Stars Release Date [0:55]
t06. Is Keith Around? [0:16]
t07. Maria Muldaur [0:44]
t08. Jerry's Day Job and Trouble With Flooding [0:46]
t09. GD Plans [1:01]
t10. GD Movie, TV  [1:10]
t11. GD Tour [0:13]
t12. Let's Talk About The Record [0:23]
t13. We Built The Studio [1:50]
t14. I'm Happiest With This Record [0:44]
t15. Jerry Garcia BAND [0:27]
t16. Rhapsody In Red (album version) (fragment) [0:#50]
t17. Mistakes [0:42]
t18. Tour So Far [0:31]
t19. Album Personnel [1:53]
t20. French Horn [0:35]
t21. Scaly And Weird [1:36]
t22. Being Great Is Your Own Thing [1:30]
t23. Stop Looking At That Thing, If It Gives You The Creeps [0:33]
t24. Rain (album version) (fragment) % [0:14]
t25. SNORT [0:45]
t26. Not Too Hard [1:42]
t27. Playing Together Purely Randomly [1:07]
t28. Garcia V. Weir [1:29]
t29. Keith Olsen [1:32]
t30. Station ID [0:54]
t31. Doing Interviews [1:24]
t32. Another GD Question Goes Nowhere [0:32]
t33. It's That Important To Me [1:27]
t34. What Career? [0:12]
t35. JGB Concrescence [3:04]
t36. You Want It To Move You [0:40]
t37. The Taoism And The Path, Featuring Buzzy Buchanan
t38. Amenhotep's Wine [1:35]
t39. The Invisible Landscape [1:33]
t40. Goodbyes [0:28]
t41. The News [0:08]

! Interview: people present:
! personnel: Andy Gefen
! personnel: Donna Jean Godchaux
! personnel: Jerry Garcia
! personnel: John Kahn
! personnel: Buzz Buchanan

JGMF:

! Recording: symbols: % = recording discontinuity; / = clipped song; // = cut song; ... = fade in/out; # = truncated timing; [ ] = recorded event time. The recorded event time immediately after the song or item name is an attempt at getting the "real" time of the event. So, a timing of [x:xx] right after a song title is an attempt to say how long the song really was, as represented on this recording.

! TJS: none.

! db: part of shnid 76444 (Gefen > Goodbear).

! R: PREFM-SBD > ? > Gefen Master ? > GoodBear CD (late 1990s) > shn, part of shnid 76444.

! R: shn2flac via TLH, tracking via CDWave, tagging in foobar2000 by JGMF, 8/6/2012.

! t02 Jerry interrupts him Jerry Garcia Band. JG "Under the stars. Not undah." They are wasted. For those of you who don't enjoy the show tonight, I'd like to apologize on behalf of myself and the members of the band. John Kahn. Let's apologize for Buzzy, too. And Buzzy.

! t03 Ron Tutt's been playing with us. Ron isn't playing with us anymore. The new kid in the band is Buzz Buchanan credit to his race, as far as drummers go. From Los Angeles. What happened to Ron Tutt? Kahn: He went back to Los Angeles unfortunately. Buzz who did you play with before? Studio stuff in LA. The Smothers Brothers, played back east with them at the Great Gorge Playboy Club.

! t04 Someone mutters "shit",  and the DJ sounds worried about the ramifications of broadcasting a swear word. "I need ten grand and a year in jail." Garcia, pulling up from an audible snort: "I do. I could use a year in jail. I really think it would straighten me right out. And the $10 grand [fine] would be helpful, too."

! t05 on CUTS release date: That's a good question. If Arista really cooks, they might get it out as soon as the next couple of weeks ... next week or so. Our last really important deadline which we were almost totally convinced we would make was September 10th ... of last year. Unfortunately, we ... slipped up a little right there." JK: "Well, we made the deadline, in a way." DJ: "In a way?" JK: "Yeah. We were mostly dead by then." DJ: "Gratefully ... dead?" JK: "Well, I wasn't all that happy about it, myself."

! t06 Keith Godchaux: This is really harsh. He asks if Keith is around, and they all start snickering. JG: "Not all of us can move, see [laughter] ... sometimes it just doesn't work out right. [hilarity]

! t07 re Maria Muldaur: DJG: "There's somebody else who isn't here. Maria Muldaur is not here. Call John Mr. Maria. JG: "She is now an official member [inaudible]." JK : "The original mistake was "mr." JG: "She is a permanent member of this band insofar as this band is a permanent organization." DJ: "And it's workin' out great." JG: "yeah. Real great." Maria has her own date.

! t08 JG: "We all have to work around each other, know what I mean? Otherwise, y'know, I work at a gas station during the day." John will come back and play with Maria when she comes back to town.

! t09 Q about GD plans. JG: "Yeah, we're gonna be workin' ourselves silly this year. But I don't have a rap to tell you.  I don't have any information that's gonna do you any good on the Grateful Dead right now. Right now this is what we're doin, and this is the most important thing that's happening as far as we're concerned." Bob Weir album recording. JF: "We're looking at recording in the May-June-July area, if things go right we'll have an album out in August." Kahn: Just like our album out in September". Jerry: "Well, yeah, right, we're all hippies. Crazed beatniks. Strange people. Foreigners." JK: "I have a junior beatnik card."

! t10 clips of the GD Movie on TV on "Rock Concert" TV people have been pulling on our legs for many years to go on television. William F. Buckley wanted me to go on Firing Line.
! t11 GD tour maybe early spring starting in Florida. JG doesn't really know about it. Garcia cuts this question off.

! t12 Most like to talk about the record. Record has been a great trip for us. "We started working on it last July. Because we're all doing all this other stuff."

! t13 DJG: "And we built the studio that we recorded it in." JG: "Yeah, we built the studio to do it. What was happening was, we were rehearsing, and all of a sudden ... and it's Tutt that plays on these tracks, not Buzz, unfortunately. [Buzz, wake up!] So we were playing in there and we were making cassettes for practice purposes as we were working on the material. And, uh, Tutt ... was he attracted to ... he liked the drum sound in the room. We hadn't really thought about it before. So we whipped the place into a recording studio, took about a month to do it, two months, maybe. This whole record is, fundamentally, on a technical level it's totally homemade. I mean everything that was done, it was done ... right ... it was all done in the same room." JK: "I remember when we were all splicing wires, we actually, literally, ourselves, put it together [inaudible]." JG: "We were cutting wires, and cutting lines and making cables and doing everything ... we actually built the place--" DJ: "From scratch." JG: "Yeah, from scratch."

! t13 @0102 DJ: "Do you intend to use this studio for future Garcia and Dead endeavors?" JG: "Whether the Dead decide to use it or not is a matter of ... that decisionmaking process ... you know, we don't decide like *that* ... for me, it's a thing that's been a long, slow progression of accumulation of equipment, and the desire to have a really good facility for recording. The neat thing about it is that the room we're workin' in, it just sounds beautiful. It sounds better than any studio I've ever worked in, in terms of the room sound. So, the vocal quality, the instrumental quality, the drum sound, all the sounds that are recorded in the room ...; there's horns and strings and things like that there as well ... and everything  just has a very articulate and nice sound."

! t14 JG: "I'm happiest with this record, of all the ones we've done. It's neat because it's all original material, all the material is our own stuff." DJ: "Can I who produced this album?" JG: "We all" [crosstalk] DJ question about Keith Olsen and production. JK: "I don't know that we have such a specific plan on that level. Things are changeable, always." JG: "Yeah, right, that's the thing, is that no decision is final, and that no operating ... no way of operating is ever completely always gonna be the thing." Jerry really doesn't want to go onto GD terrain, while Gefen really does.

t15 RIR introduction. DJ: "Give us a chance to relax a little bit, with microphones off." JG, laconically: "That'd be swell." DJ introduces song as by "Jerry Garcia", and Garcia insists "Jerry Garcia BAND".

! R: t16 spliced

! t17 silliness

! t18 tour so far, only two gigs. DJ: "How long have you been rehearsing for the tour?" JK "None". JG: "About twenty minutes." JK, laughing: "That's right, it was twenty minutes." JG: "We try to approach this stuff professionally." JK: "Yeah, right. I do remember that twenty minutes, now that I think about it."

! t19 CUTS album personnel: Kahn mentions harmonica player Dave Burgin on "Palm Sunday". Steve Schuster horn player on "Rain". Two string players one was named Brian (Brian Godchaux and Candy Godchaux, Keith's brother and sister-in-law). Then there was that guy whatshisname from the ... [Kahn: "Musicians' union?" [general mirth]. French horn player his name was whatever it says. Stewart somebody from the Oakland Symphony. JG: "Wonderful player. French horn is a really difficult instrument, this guy ..."

t20 John Kahn writing instrumentation wrote the out about five minutes, on the floor, with manuscript paper, scribble scribble scribble for this french horn player ... and he just played it immediately. He's a remarkable player, remarkable." JG, sound a little grumpy: "Uhh, yeah, we have. We've been movin' each other along and I think an awful lot of what's happening in music is just dull as dishwater, man." DJ: "You're not into any disco or New Wave or anything?" JG: "Of those things, of those choices, the New Wave... the whole punk rock trip, I like it best. I like it best, I think. I like it because it has some energy, it has some spirit." JK: "There's the thing of, new music, people are tyring to play [crosstalk] there's thing, in San Francisco, 'cause that's where I was then, when everybody was just learning to play, there was a thing that was missing --" JG: "The thing of people tryin' real hard. JK: "Tryin' to figure out how to make it work." JG: "Yeah, yeah. It's got the spirit, y'know, that's the thing. The nature of the spirit, if you had to describe the spirit, you could describe the spirit as being a little bit edgy, y'know, maybe sort of a Violent spirit, y'know, sort of scaly and weird, maybe, but it's a spirit, and almost anything else lacks spirit of any sort."

! t21 DJ: "I just want to ask a question about your musical influences. Anybody been moving you along lately?"

! t22 JG: "Who is there around to say what being really, really good on an instrument is. There are guys who don't play ... who can't play many notes, that can move you tremendously with what they do play. Then there are guys who can play gazillions of notes, and nobody can even dig it." JK, sounding very strange: "There isn't any best in the world anymore." JG: "No, it's not like that anymore." JK: "There can't be a best guitar player in the world anymore. There's twenty now. JG: "Say, eighty." [cross-talk] DJG: "Being the greatest is no longer the incentive." JG: "Being great is your own trip." More from JK.

! t23 general weirdness, then DJG asks DJ "Do you want us to stop talking?" He says "No, no", and Garica replies "Well then stop looking at that thing, then, if it gives you the creeps." Too funny! "Play something so *you* can relax." General mirth. "Rain" intro by JG

! t25 DJ mistakenly identifie the song as "Gomorrah", not sure. JG, dismissive: "Uh, it's called 'Rain'. It's the one that Donna wrote?" DJ: "I am getting confused in between--" [--SNIFF-- chuckles] "--John Kahn just noticed his own name on Jerry Garcia's Reflections album." JG: "He's into his name because it rhymes." DJ: "With what?" JG: "With itself. John Kahn. John Kahn." He sounds a littel patronizing.

! t26 question about how the decision was made to have Donna and Keith tour with this band and with the Dead. Gets no response, says "OK ... they don't like that question." Then they affirm him a little bit. Donna: "No, no, I just don't understand it." JK "These things happen more than a decision [inaudible]." JG: "See, here's the thing, I mean, I think it best ... in terms of clarity, I think it's easiest not to confuse the Grateful Dead with *this* band . This band really has its own identity, its own evolution." DJ: "I'm only making the comment because there are three members of the Dead in it, as opposed to one [garbled]." JG: "That is an interesting ..." JK: "Well," [cross-talk DJ, something about Bob Weir] "it's coincidental, that's all." JG: "It's coincidental, almost, yeah." JK "We didn't have a piano player, and Keith was the best guy we could find, and Donna's a fabulous singer." JG: "Yeah, actually, this started quite awhile ago. I mean, Keith and Donna have been with us for two years." DJG: "And they needed a piano player, and another singer would be nice. Keith and I live together. It'd be cheap." [laughter] JG: "Not too hard ... and we're all freaks." [crosstalk] DJG: "--just fell into it really naturally." DJ: "May I ask how you originally got involved with the Dead?" JK: "They probably needed a piano player, too." DJG: "They did. That was exactly what was happening."

! t27 JG: "It's a matter of timing, really." JK: "Those things happen. It's not heavy decisions or anything. That kind of stuff just happens ... somebody shows up, and it's right, and everybody knows it's right." DJ question about Bobby and Kingfish. JG: "I guess, so, that's the way it worked out with him. But for me it's always been the thing of, that, decisionmaking is always, always ... I don't dig it, I'm ... It's more a matter of luck. Like, John and I really were thrown together in a gig. We started playing together purely randomly. And we played together for a looong time before we started even talking very much. But we got along musically." JK: "I had known you for about three years--" [crosstalk] "--the first time I ever really talked to you is when you gave me a ride home from the airport once from somewhere." JG: "Yeah. It's just one of those things. Something happens in your life."

! t28 DJ spoke with Weir the day before (3/10/78), asking about parallels. JG: "He was in a situation where he had a created band. He'd done a record, and the record had a certain musical personality ... and he was really in the position, since Weir, Bobby doesn't spend a lot of time playin' around with other musicians, except when he was working with Kingfish and stuff like that, y'know. So, he went down there [LA] and for him it was a good experience because he was exposed to a lot of good players, met a lot of people, and put himself into that situation of, 'OK, now I have to have a band.'."  JK: "He has to cover his album." JG and Donna affirm. JG: "This is a little different." DJ: "What do you think of that album?" JG: "Weir's album?" DJ: "Yeah." JG: "Slick as can be.  Weir has always been a very interesting writer to me. He writes the kinds of things that I would never, ever think of writing, musically I mean. And his development as a composer is gettin' to be more interesting and more resolved as the years go by. He's always been an interesting composer. His ideas are ... they're unique. Whether other people are gonna like it or not, I really haven't the slightest idea, but it really sounds smooth, and it sounds nice and finished. Keith Olsen is a very careful and meticulous producer."

! t29 Keith Olsen: "He showed up and didn't freak out." "he's a good cat. He really doesn't belong in LA. He's a good guy to work with. He's the pick of the litter."  , Dead with outside producer everybody has their own opinion so firmly, it's like imprinted on yourselves. Very hard for us to all. .. it's helpful to have an objective ear. Dealing with ourselves we can hang ourselves up for months and months and months and months and months. "It's not that we don't dig it, but that's what it is."

! t31 random chatter. Running out of things to say. Now, general mayhem. All talking about things. "Being on the radio beats lying around in the gutter, in the snow. ... It also beats things like taking a shower."

! t32 Jerry directing. JG: "Hey, I know, why don't you play nother cut. ... In that case, do what you want." DJ prods him again about asking about the Dead. Jerry sounding a little grouchy "I am just not into it that much right now." GD we're workin'.

! t33 DJ: Are there plans for another Jerry Band album, this is a permanent entity? JG: "Yeah. This is. It's been going on for some time. It's an idea we have been pursuing for some time. John and I have been involved in developing this thing over this long period of time in a kind of crazy way. It's serious. As a personal, as an individual apart from my relationship with the Grateful Dead, which is an important thing to me, this record, this music and this band is the same thing to me. It's that important to me. I care that much about it. I'm that serious about it. I think that this record is the best record that any of our various scenes --if you want to be thinking in those terms, y'know, sub-groups and all the rest of that stuff, if you want to be thinking in those terms, this record is, I think, the best of any of them so far. I mean, in terms of us feeling really good about it. The material is really good. The lyrics are beautiful, the musical ideas, the performances, the sound ... everything is the way we would want for people to hear it."
t34 DJ: "How do you feel everything is at this point in your career." JG: "what career? I don't care about a career."

t35 Kahn: "I'll tell you, of significant importance [sic] is that we've really become a band. It's not like something that Jerry does in his spare time, or that I do in my spare time, or anything like that. It started out that way." JG, to John: "Gimme that drink." JK: "Oh, no." JG: "Go ahead."  [pause all around] JK: "What was I saying? We're a *band*, that's really what's  important to know." @0:32 JG: "But that's like a real thing. It's like a marriage, or something. Not only is it a band, but it's a band that has that ... it has thing of of, ummm, consonance. [That's] the best way I can describe it. In other words, we all think similarly musically." DJG: "The hippest folks out there will know what we man by concrescence .. but only the hippest, y'know." JG: "Probably only the hippest, that's right. All you lame people [crosstalk]." DJ: gives him choices. John Kahn wants to do the news, presumably to take another "break". Jerry says they'll go until Robbie freaks out. !1:35 DJ: "Where were we?" JG: "Where, indeed?" JK: We're into something new." JG: "We're into the music having a personality and a life of its own that is something which we all recognize we're a part of.  It's like you imagine a music in your head, and you don't even imagine it perfectly, it's not even something ... it escapes your imagination ... it's provocative. And then you run into somebody and you see that what they're doing has some part of that vision. And you recognize it. Y'know what I mean? It's not like you invent it, you recognize it. 'Yeah, that, that, that's it, that's it!" JK: "Right. There's there's the possibility of that dream. And you go further." JG: "Yeah. And then you go further, you go further." [crosstalk: DJG: --that has the same dream."] JG: "That's right, that has the same --[crosstalk]. Dynamically, the interesting difference in this thing is that this band represents a kind of amazing agremement, where, by contrast, the Grateful Dead represents this amazing disagreement, in terms of, that everybody has tremendously different ideas about music, just a ... but that's interesting for other reasons. That's interesting for completely other reasons. This is ... this gets us all off in the same way. The Grateful Dead, when the Grateful Dead gets off, everybody gets off differently. But we all get off."

! t36 Kahn's idea about music: "I don't have any idea about music. What to me it means 'good' which is, it has an effect on people. That's what good means to me." JG: "Yeah, me too." JK: "And, other than that, I don't have any idea. We could play bluegrass music, or jazz, or--" [JG: "Yeah, style doesn't have anything to do with it."] --"it doesn't matter. It's all music. It's just music." JG: "And as long as it has an effect on you. When you hear music, you want it to move you. You want it to ... communicate." DJG: "And this band has expanded on that level." JG: "Yeah. We've been hittin' some ..."

! personnel: Buzz Buchanan: t37 Donna brings up Buzzy how John Kahn found Buzzy Buchanan. "He's allowed us to go into spaces in music that we've never gone to before. He's great." Discussion about how John found Buzzy through a Kmart thing, John says it was the 'Best Hits of the Chinese Fifth Dynasty Greatest Hits'. And the particular track I heard was "The Taoism and the Path, featuring Buzzy Buchanan, and because of that I decided that I thought he'd really work well with us. And, oddly enough, it turned out that he was still alive."

! t38 Kahn: wine bottles in Amenhotep's grave ... 1400 BC ... they are drinking ... DJG: "We found this bottle uncorked it and there was Buzzy." ... SNORT ... DJ: herbicides on dope in Mexico ... JG: "What about that clone story?"

! t39 DJ: "What kind of stuff have you been into, as far as--" JG: "Ideas? There's a fantastic book called The Invisible Landscape, that anybody that wants to have their brain turned inside out should read, that is by the McKenna Brothers, who are ... Terrence and Dennis McKenna, who are a pair of scientists ... and in the book they propose a theory ... a holographic theory of mind and the Universe. They talk about the mechanical and electromagnetic way that psychedelics affect the mind, and the DNA and RNA specifically ... [crosstalk] Then they talk about the I-Ching ..."

! t40 even Buzz says goodbye ... network news.

! t41 the news about a Ku Klux Klan rally