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Sunday, August 07, 2011

LN jg1973-10-xx.oaitw.partial.sbd.14216.shnf

Old And In The Way "October 1973" ( turns out to be a degraded copy of Boarding House, October 8, 1973. Grisman officially released the whole show in 2008, though all links to download it seem to be dead. Some notes.

Old And In The Way
"Unknown Location, October xx, 1973"
Boarding House
October 8, 1973 (DOW)
shnid 14216: degraded 81 minute sbd

(19 tracks, 81:15)
t01 - Home Is Where The Heart Is [2:01] [0:08]
t02 - Love Please Come Home [3:12] [0:13]
t03 - [0:26] Down Where The River Bends [4:26] [0:14]
t04 - [0:52] Kissimmee Kid [4:23] [0:23] (1)
t05 - (2) tuning [1:07], Pig In A Pen/% [2:37#], dead air [0:06]
t06 - dead air [0:03], //Uncle Pen [#2:12] [0:30]
t07 - Panama Red [2:40] [0:15]
t08 - talk (3) and tuning [1:25], Midnight Moonlight [5:59] [0:20]
t09 - talk (4) and tuning [1:00], White Dove [4:32] [0:09] % dead air [0:06] %
t10 - //Wild Horses [#4:21] [0:07]
t11 - talk and tuning [0:19] % [0:17] Orange Blossom Special [2:38] [0:15] % [0:24]
t12 - (5) [0:28] Old And In The Way [2:55] [0:12]
t13 - Lonesome Fiddle Blues [3:14] [0:18]
t14 - % [0:11] On And On [3:17] [0:06]
t15 - Land Of The Navajo [6:54] [0:20]
t16 - tuning [0:38], Catfish John [3:56] [0:31]
t17 - (6) [0:05] Til The End Of The World Rolls 'Round [2:09] [0:02] % [0:08]
t18 - % /Jerry's Breakdown [#4:23] [0:16]
t19 - tuning and talk (7) [0:53], The Great Pretender [3:26] [0:09] %

Peter Rowan - acoustic guitar, vocals;
David Grisman - mandolin, vocals;
Jerry Garcia - banjo, vocals;
Vassar Clements - fiddle;
John Kahn - acoustic bass.

! this fileset is deprecated by lots of better sources for the same material, including the official release Old & In The Way: Live at the Boarding House, October 8, 1973 - The Complete Show - Sets 1 & 2 (Acoustic Disc/Acoustic Oasis, ACD-AO-50005, 2008) (
! Recording: symbols: % = recording discontinuity; / = clipped song; // = cut song; ... = fade in/out; # = truncated timing; [ ] = recorded event time. The recorded event time immediately after the song or item name is an attempt at getting the "real" time of the event. So, a timing of [x:xx] right after a song title is an attempt to say how long the song really was, as represented on this recording.
! TJS:
! db: shnid 14216 (this fileset -- deprecated); is the best-sounding non-official copy of material from this date (though it travels as unknown 1973).
! R: given lineage: "MSR > R > R > D > CD".
! R: shnid 14216 (non-seekable shns) renamed, flac encoded and tagged by JGMF, 8/2011.
! R: Seeder Note: "not sure why the discs are split like this. It was provided to me in this manner ..."
! (1) ?DG?: "Vassar Clements!"
! there's a recording break, but it sounds very short. I don't think there's much or anything missing here.
! R: Badly muffled and running fast. This is a pretty painful listen, though it either gets better or we get used to it. It's plausible to think this is a degraded sbd.
! P: Nice stretched out harmony vocals by JG at the end of DWTRB
! This sounds like an early version of Kissimee Kid. You can hear them saying something like "You wanna try it?" and then a minute of tuning. This might help triangulate to date.
! (2) chick calls for Foggy Mountain Breakdown before Pig In A Pen
! R: PIAP cuts out
! R: Uncle Pen cuts in
! (3) crowd yell "play it Vassar!" leads to some chatter, DG noting that Vassar's fans are demanding. PR asks "What would you like to hear him play?" Crowd shouts a bunch of stuff. "Peking Fling", etc. "Muleskinner Blues". Crowd is hooting and hollering and having a good old time.
! Midnight Moonlight is fully developed. This definitely makes October dating more plausible. These guys really got it together around this time. This is probably October 1 or October 8. Some A-B comparisons will be necessary [edit: confirmed that this is October 8, 1973].
! P: this may be the hottest Midnight Moonlight ever played. They are well-gelled and cooking.
! (4) @ 0:42 DG: "We're gonna slow things down a little bit, get into a little reflective portion of our show. Everybody can sort of ease down, and reflect upon ..."
! Wild Horses cuts in before first verse.
! (5) Audience member calls for something. ?Vassar? says "We got the man here who produced that, too. The McEuen Brothers."
! song name Old And In The Way Breakdown is not a Breakdown. I think this is just called OAITW.
! R: LOTN speaker-endangering digi-snit @ 5:41
! (6) DG: "Here's one of Lester and Earl's numbers."
! @ 0:37 (7) DG: "These antiques are like pretty women, Pete. Have to fool with 'em to get 'em right."
! setlist: Great Pretender was listed as an encore, but there's continuous tape to it from the end of Jerry's Breakdown. And it doesn't necessarily sounds like the show ends after this point, either. So I don't know what to make of the 'encore' designation for this except to think it's incorrect [confirmed].


  1. Thanks for sorting this one out! I have way too many "Old and In The Way, Unknown 1973" discs in my collection, and this posting just eliminated two of them; for that, I thank you.

  2. Cool! At some point I do plan on going through all of that material. The sheer quantity of rehearsal tapes is pretty fantastic, though there is surely some duplication among the various filesets. It will be interesting stuff to go through really closely.

    You might also want to look at the notes from the 7/21/73 rehearsal and that night's live gig.

  3. Thanks so much for thinking about working on the OAITW tapes. I will be the first to admit that, with regards to my personal collection, you were spot-on in describing it as "much collected, but wholly unlistened-to." There are many scholarly things for which I am prepared to roll up my sleeves and start digging deep, but the spark for doing so for OAITW hasn't hit me yet. So, any research that pushes our knowledge further, clarifies multiple points (and isn't done by me!) is truly, truly appreciated.


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