LN19760119 JG interview by Father Miles Riley, KPIX-TV Studios, San Francisco, CA

Update: looks like a 26 minute recording is available through the GDAO: http://www.gdao.org/items/show/379043

Update2: GD Archive material gives taping date as 1/19/76

Update3: see also "Jerry's January 1976".

Update4: 26 minute video has finally come into the light!

I have now put some slightly more verbatim "viewing notes" below the fold. Not a full transcription, but close enough for my own purposes.

Interview of Jerry Garcia by Father Miles Riley
KPIX-TV Studios
San Francisco, CA
Interview date: January 19, 1976 (Monday), 9 p.m.
Air date: January 31, 1976 (Saturday), 1 p.m.

(16 tracks, 13:34)
t01. Jerry's mother [1:04]
t02. Jerry's image, fame [1:52]
t03. aura, music vs. words, responsibility, leadership, JG experiential thing [3:00]
t04. interaction, film [0:16]
t05. TV [0:37]
t06. feedback, interaction with fans [0:37]
t07. mailing list, record samplers and fan mail [0:18]
t08. musical eclecticism, evolution, energy [0:46]
t09. where JG functions best [0:25]
t10. "it's working" [0:28]
t11. the best things happen when everyone agrees [0:40]
t12. improvised architecture [0:32]
t13. feeling good about it [1:06]
t14. something to work on, with observable progress [1:00]
t15. sign off [0:03]
t16. Hank Harrison voice note [0:40]

JGMF:

! Original note: "More from Hank Harrison's cassette interviews." Came with two further tracks. Track two was said to be interview to Robert Petersen, track three with Pigpen and Petersen. I note that Pigpen is on both, probably Petersen, too.

! Lineage given as "MC > CD > EAC > FLAC". I note that there's gotta be more than that. Harrison's voice notes are superimposed over tape, for one thing. And there was some kind of high-pitched tone at the start of some pieces ... would that be a reel? Or would a little dictation machine have done something like that, too?

! Lineage: JGMF: I took the flac, decoded, tracked it with CDWave, wrote up these notes, and flac'd with TLH.

! Recording: this runs to about 14 minutes. I assume the show was 30 minutes, but can't know that and that is correct, as determined by the video. There is definitely some conversation missing here [from the sound file - true]. We cut in at t01, and at a point are two there are references to things Jerry just said that don't appear on the tape. Just a wild guess that it was 30 minutes and we have about half of it. ["You are correct, sir!" -- ed]

! Material: Very, very interesting. I wonder how Father Miles Riley got Garcia to come into a TV studio to appear on his hipster priest show. Note that there is one interview, I can't remember the context, in which Garcia talks about being fascinated with these TV preacher types. But in that seetting he was talking about the hellfire and brimstone types, sweating hard and asking for money. Like that white-haired coke fiend who used to be on Bay Area TV in the 70s. Anyway, Father Miles Riley sounds much more in the gentle, closeted, trying-to-be-hip, leftwing catholic priest tradition.

! According to Harrison's notes and based on the vibe of the conversation, it does feel face to face, in studio. [update: yes] HH's notes only say the air date, not the recording date.

! The good Father has a reasonably light touch in trying to steer JG toward things spiritual and whatnot, but JG really isn't biting. He knows where Riley wants to take it, but he's pretty good-humoredly steering clear of it. It's a very interesting discussion. Indeed, t13 is sort of premised where the Priest tries to raise "faith", and Garcia basically says that his own guiding light is whatever feels good. If it feels good, he does it. If it doesn't, he doesn't. Hardly a faith-based, less still even remotely ascetic, philosophy.

! t01. This has to be the only tape I have ever heard of Jerry talking at all about his mother. There have been a few other interviews in which he discusses her, but hearing January 1976 JG talk about this is enlightening indeed. "I never was able to say to her, 'I thought you did OK'." I never was able to finish that idea. I don't feel as though our relationship is gone forever. She always respected what I did, and liked the fact that I was a musician and liked what I  was doing and so forth. And she never judged me. Even through things with involvement with drugs and things like that. It's a shock as things like that always are. (re death of his mother). Once your parents are gone ... y'know ... y'know [heavily connotative pause, more in the sense of "it's weird" in a way.] . They're gone. On some levels it's liberating and on other levels it's very sad."

! t02. "The kind of fame that I'm involved in, such as it is, is low enough of a profile so that I'm not constantly being reminded of it" [people aren't running up for autographs] "It's much cooler than that." So glad he could still say this as of early 1976, at least!

! t07 note that the mention of the mailing list, record samplers etc. provides data consistent with the identified time frame of the interview.

! t14. We might say something about Garcia's workaholism based on t14. He basically says fulfillment in life results from having something to work on, on which one can make observable progress, at the very center of life. Homo Faber, of a sort.

! t09. "I am not an artist in the solo ... or in the independent artist in the garrett mold. ... I'm part of dynamic situations and that's where I like it, and that's where I feel I function best. And The GD as a collection of people are all people who've come to that idea."

! t11. GD: "If somebody doesn't like it, we don't do it. We've learned to trust each other." "No idea really makes it if you can't include everybody."

! t16. Hank Harrison: "That was Father Miles Riley, Catholic Priest television host of a show called 'I Believe', recorded at KPIX Studios in San Francisco, aired at 1 o'clock in the afternoon in the entire Bay Area, 1/31/76, interview with Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead."

VN jg1976-01-19.interview-father-miles-riley

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80dcUvmVWzM&t=2s

 

Who are you?

0110 I'm somebody who plays music. Or tries to. I think of myself as a person who's a music student. And what turns me on is being able to play. And being able to continue developing.

0200 There is a convention in what you could broadly describe as entertainment, that states that once you have your act down, once you have it together, keep on doing it. That's what the people want. Y'know, they're coming back to see Judy Garland for the umpteen-billionth time.

artist vs entertainer

0240 I'd rather be involved in something that's more open-ended than that. I'd rather not be able to see the end that clearly.

GD hit a dead end. No place to go from there.

we're the Don Quixotes of rnr 0455

0645 the Acid Test question

the drugs were important insofar as they were a way for people to discover that there was mor going on than what they had previously considered reality. 0830

there was a lot more than I even suspected – and I suspected a lot 0915

1010 he gets to the spiritual issue

1020 I don't feel a fixed way about drugs. The worst thing about drugs is that they're illegal. That's the real thing that creates problems.

1054 getting high

1133 was an altar boy!

1158 he's back to spirituality, Catholicism

1215 intensely wanting not to blow it. I don't wanna be *guilty.

I was a laissez faire catholic. My parents were loose catholics rather than devout. They would send me to church. It didn't take.

13 getting to Ruth, her death

1312 It was strange. Once they're gone, that's it. It's that flash –which I was aware of, really, but … I was never really very close to my mother, so I felt that, 'well, there's something that I wasn't able to complete', y'know. 'There's something that I didn't really do' – I didn’t really… I never was able to say to her 'I thought you did OK', y'know. I was never able to finish that idea. But I don't feel as though our relationship is gone forever I feel more as though, like, that was underlying throughout. She always respected what I did, and liked the fact that I was a musician, and liked what I was doing and so forth. She never judged me, even through things like involvement with drugs. So, I don't feel really too badly about it, but it's a shock, as things like that always are. But on another level, it's interesting how, once your parents are gone, y'know … they're gone. On some levels it's liberating. On other levels, it's sad. 1425

1530 references biases of language

1600 Luckily, the kind of fame that I'm involved in, such as it is, is low enough of a profile that I'm not constantly being reminded of it. [People don't run up for autographs and so forth.] No, it's much cooler than that.

1730 Q music v words

1800 experiences vs words

1940 Q alluding to film

2024 GD and audience – we have a pretty good two-way flow

2152 I'm not an artist in the solo … or in the independent-artist-in-the-garret mold. I'm not that sort of person. I'm part of dynamic situations and that's where I like it, and that's where I feel I function best. And the GD as a collection of people are all people who have come to that idea.

2225 no leader, no plan, utterly formless from moment to moment

2243 we bump egos. But the best things happen when everybody agrees.

When somebody doesn't like it, then we don't do it.

24 Q where does the energy come from

enthusiasm, it feels good

2505 music as his yoga Q

2507 It's a good thing to have some one thing that you can work on on a daily basis and be able to see improvement on your own terms, that is a result only of your own energy being put into the thing. Aything that you decided to do, if you did it every day and you could notice yourself improving, whatever it is … the more you do them, the better you get at them. It keeps you centered to something.