tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18366371.post8264193568440574212..comments2024-03-15T18:58:45.318-06:00Comments on Jerry Garcia's Middle Finger: November 24, 1968: Jam with Jefferson Airplane, Grande Ballroom, Detroit, MI (POSSIBLE)Fate Musichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18366371.post-14676809361300755082021-01-18T14:16:13.165-07:002021-01-18T14:16:13.165-07:00I live in cincy. I would love one!I live in cincy. I would love one!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091068548036026141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18366371.post-46011624180522438832018-02-20T14:54:01.110-07:002018-02-20T14:54:01.110-07:00Surprisingly, the Dead's appearance at the Air...Surprisingly, the Dead's appearance at the Airplane's Grande Ballroom show was hinted at in advance! <br />The 11/22/68 Detroit Free Press, listing upcoming Grande Ballroom shows: "Sunday there will be two shows, at 5:30 and 8:30 p.m., with the Jefferson Airplane. Backing them will be Terry Reid and a special guest." <br /><br />Though concertgoers probably couldn't have guessed who the guest would be (the Dead were scheduled at the Grande a week later), still it seems their appearance wasn't just a casual unplanned walk-in. <br /><br />What makes this even more surprising is that the Dead's free show at Ohio University in Athens, long thought to have been on Nov. 23, turns out to have actually taken place on Monday Nov. 25 (and was also apparently planned at least a little in advance). <br />Which means, for the Dead, a 200-mile trip from Columbus OH north to Detroit to spend a (non-paying) weekend with the Airplane, then another almost 300-mile trip back to Athens OH for a free show! Then back north to Chicago (430m.), then BACK to Ohio to play Cincinnati (300m.), then reverse course again and head back north (260m.) to Detroit again! I only hope someone in the Dead touring organization had a map. Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18366371.post-71621404501261855382014-01-04T11:38:46.980-07:002014-01-04T11:38:46.980-07:00yes to JGMF...I wanna know more about the hippie f...yes to JGMF...I wanna know more about the hippie farmhouse jam possibility....kshapero please email me at slipnut01 at gmail dot comJerry's Brokendown Palaceshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06451361448230329754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18366371.post-88384210506637950282013-11-23T08:21:50.353-07:002013-11-23T08:21:50.353-07:00Was just revisiting this thread. So it seems prett...Was just revisiting this thread. So it seems pretty clear that the GD played the party at the Teen Center, for members only, on Friday 11/29, and then the two shows on Saturday 11/30. Right?Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18366371.post-58891474282940149602013-08-04T10:02:02.383-06:002013-08-04T10:02:02.383-06:00Thank you for sharing your recollections! Did the ...Thank you for sharing your recollections! Did the Dead play at the hippie farmhouse, or just hang out and party?Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18366371.post-7777532120889919652013-08-02T09:39:30.416-06:002013-08-02T09:39:30.416-06:00I was at the Athens, Ohio show 11/23/68. Small cro...I was at the Athens, Ohio show 11/23/68. Small crowd, a couple hundred, all freaks. At one point a member of the SDS came on stage, giving a big anti-war speech. No one seemed to care, since everyone there was grooving on the Dead. At points, very informal, many folks on stage, some part of the Dead family, others just hanging and dancing. As Athens was a very rural area, a bunch of us retreated to a Hippie farmhouse after the show (maybe 2 AM) and continued to groove on with the Dead. A good time had by all. Special time because no one was famous yet.kshaperohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05655466492369786069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18366371.post-15639172797105472492012-07-28T13:41:33.910-06:002012-07-28T13:41:33.910-06:00found this interesting tidbit:
http://www.citybeat...found this interesting tidbit:<br />http://www.citybeat.com/cincinnati/blog-921-ludlow_garage_tribute_at_blues_fest_tonight.html<br /><br />The Eli Radish Band was proud to open Ludlow’s with Grand Funk, and to be invited back so many times. It was a great venue and Jim Tarbell was a visionary rock impresario, as the roster of talent confirms. He was always a gentleman who cared about the musicians. He often invited us to stay at his lovely mansion, rather than get hotel rooms. We were a bit wild and not easy to host, but Jim embraced us. By the time David Allan Coe joined my band and we moved to Nashville, Ludlow’s was gone and Cincinnati became just another food and fuel stop for us on the way to other concerts. We missed Ludlow’s. I just ran across our poster from opening night and will have it posted at EliRadishBand.com.<br /><br />So did the Grateful Dead get invited to stay at Tarbell's mansion?Jerry's Brokendown Palaceshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06451361448230329754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18366371.post-78586726329178318632012-04-05T03:55:27.993-06:002012-04-05T03:55:27.993-06:00Another possible lead for this thread:
The April ...Another possible lead for this thread:<br /><br />The April 5, 2012, Detroit Free Press notes a new documentary film on the Grande is being released. The filmmaker could be a source of info for this possible jam.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18366371.post-79821708755564069292012-02-21T14:17:57.027-07:002012-02-21T14:17:57.027-07:00Yes, I never noticed that 7/31/67 jam either, whic...Yes, I never noticed that 7/31/67 jam either, which is why I posted. You never know what you can find when you look for something... <br /><br />Tapetracker, yes, extinct. Nobody tracks tapes anymore! I suppose etree is the "replacement."<br />Entering JA data sounds like a big project. I assume, between the Rock Prosopography JA itineraries & JABase, the Airplane's shows are pretty well-covered.Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18366371.post-68472108584533923602012-02-21T08:59:12.799-07:002012-02-21T08:59:12.799-07:00I now find that the Tapetracker site has finally l...I now find that the Tapetracker site has finally lapsed, and looks like it'll turn into property management or something. So unless I can dredge those old data up, that might be a dead end.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18366371.post-8668919930961857942012-02-21T08:57:16.507-07:002012-02-21T08:57:16.507-07:00LIA, thank you. The 7/31/67 jam is new-to-me. (Sit...LIA, thank you. The 7/31/67 jam is new-to-me. (Sitting hidden in plain sight, at Deadlists, like this 11/24/68 hid in JABase all these years!)<br /><br />I will make a push on that post. The problem has been that I felt like in order to say some of the things I wanted to say, I needed to take the non-trivial step of entering complete JA data, by hand, through 1969. I am mostly working from Corry's great posts at Rock Prosopography 101. I assume Bruno will have some stuff I need to check out, as well.<br /><br />I am through 1967. I think the later years will become a little bit easier for various reasons.<br /><br />As I was writing, I seemed to recall from long ago that copies of Tapetracker came with pre-loaded data (effectively, separate Access files), including maybe JA data drawn from JABase at some point.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18366371.post-47390986970045347152012-02-21T04:34:37.903-07:002012-02-21T04:34:37.903-07:00In connection with your long-awaited post on the c...In connection with your long-awaited post on the crossings of Garcia & the Airplane, there are a couple earlier intersections outside California. (Within CA, they're almost too common to note.)<br /><br />On May 5 1968, the Dead played a free show in Central Park with the Airplane and the Butterfield Blues Band. An eyewitness on deadlists says, "The night before, 5/4/68 at the Fillmore East, Paul Kantner told the audience that they will be playing free in the park with the Dead tomorrow. The Dead opened 5/5/68 with Bob Weir saying to the NYC crowd, 'Welcome to San Francisco.'" <br />Although he remembers the Dead opening and the Airplane playing next, the Village Voice article from May 16 said that Butterfield and the Airplane went first, and the Dead closed, and apparently had to cut their set short because they weren't permitted to play longer in the park. <br />I'm reminded of the September 16, 1967 free concert in Griffith Park in Los Angeles - the two bands were in town, had the day free, and decided what the heck, let's have a free afternoon show in a park... (Though they'd both played the night before, both on 9/15/67 and 5/4/68!) <br /><br />Even more germane is the trip to Montreal and Toronto in July/August 1967, which is well-known, BUT, on the first night in Toronto (July 31) the Dead and the Airplane and a third group, Luke & the Apostles, jammed together onstage after they had each played their sets. <br />Deadlists quotes the Toronto Star review, which notes that the 3 bands jammed for 50 minutes as a crowd danced onstage. <br />I don't know how often they did this during the Toronto run - but for all the two bands played shows together, it's not so often we hear about post-show jams like this. Perhaps they were quite common, even at shows we have and don't suspect.<br />(Tom Constanten recalled the Airplane sitting in with the Dead at the New Orleans Pop Festival on Sept 1 1969, which must have been after our tape of the show ends, so nothing more is known about that. Given the festival setting, I doubt there was much time for extra jamming.)Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18366371.post-84093639525966444572012-02-11T22:09:36.469-07:002012-02-11T22:09:36.469-07:00I would love to get a poster as well, PLEASE! HUGE...I would love to get a poster as well, PLEASE! HUGE poster collector/fan here. Please email me at: coldflavorepair @ hotmail.com if you have any left, THANKS!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18366371.post-6907834553146999452012-02-10T10:52:51.429-07:002012-02-10T10:52:51.429-07:00If there's a poster available, I would love to...If there's a poster available, I would love to have one! Thank you! Please email me at slipnut01@gmail.comJerry's Brokendown Palaceshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06451361448230329754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18366371.post-84804320725725616332012-02-10T01:48:20.763-07:002012-02-10T01:48:20.763-07:00I would be interested in one of the posters and ca...I would be interested in one of the posters and can be reached via: <br /><br />hannan-50@chickenonaunicycle.com <br /><br />I assume it is the same as the handbill previously mentioned and shown at: <br /><br />tinyurl.com/7sx7bcbThe Yellow Sharkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17001772238662274893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18366371.post-55445940163434054742012-02-09T21:08:16.972-07:002012-02-09T21:08:16.972-07:00I'd also love to see that poster online.
The ...I'd also love to see that poster online. <br />The handbill linked to on the deadlists site does not mention any show time - it's interesting to hear that there was an early & late show. (The better to get more people into the small Teen Center, I guess!)<br />One comment on setlists.net says that of the two nights, "the first night members of the center were free," which kind of jibes with Anon's statement; so that extra night would have been Friday Nov 29. (They were in Detroit on Dec 1.)Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18366371.post-73965442001359943412012-02-08T21:22:35.718-07:002012-02-08T21:22:35.718-07:00Wow - awesome sleuthing!
Anon - great to have an ...Wow - awesome sleuthing!<br /><br />Anon - great to have an eyewitness! I'm definitely interested in your poster for 11/30, even if only to get a scan to put on the GD poster archive.<br /><br />e me at randomonia@gmail.com<br /><br />Also, can you give me an approximate address of the Teen Center, or at least the nearest intersection?<br /><br />Thanks!<br /><br />IMIMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00770956092269600588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18366371.post-5076899332761280042012-02-08T20:36:41.102-07:002012-02-08T20:36:41.102-07:00I was at the dead show on 11 30 68 cincy hyde park...I was at the dead show on 11 30 68 cincy hyde park teen center. I passed out posters for Jim Tarbell around town{ I even have a couple of these rare buggers left,if any body is interested} The poster says two shows one at 7:30 the other at 10.But I also remember that there was a show for hyde park community center members only on the day before or after, cant remember.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18366371.post-448761716905970782012-01-28T20:26:38.043-07:002012-01-28T20:26:38.043-07:00http://www.dead.net/show/august-11-1967
I also n...http://www.dead.net/show/august-11-1967 <br /><br />I also noticed on dead.net a couple eyewitness reviews of the 11/23/68 Athens show. <br />A comment for 11/22: <br />"Crummy weather driving to Columbus to see these guys, didn't know much about them at all. Promoter did poor job of advertising and ticketing--only about 250 ppl in a 3,000 seat auditorium! Should have put this show on somewhere closer to the college campus, maybe? But where? Columbus was not a rock n roll city at the time... Sufficiently wierd show (mostly stuff from "Anthem") that I decided to follow them to Athens, Ohio the following night." <br /><br />And for 11/23: <br />"Mem Aud.... 1929 theater style auditorium with balcony, max occupancy 2500, that night a room full of kinetic heads, the local freak scene, maybe a couple hundred folks max, lights up, people milling about, equipment set up on oriental rug on stage, folks walking up and down the steps to the stage where a number of people stood talking to each other, chatter, laughter, excitement, patchouli, and then amid it all an undersound of music emerging from the seeming randomness and the show was on! ... I know Pig was wailing out front and learned since that it was Tom's first night on keys, which freed Pig for vocal theatrics. Oh did the boys play...long into the evening!" <br />Another witness confirms the small crowd: "Sort of catch-as-catch-can atmosphere, big venue, but small audience (heck Thanksgiving was here!), as in Columbus the night before. Small turnout for two nights in a row made me wonder if this band had a future! Again, general weirdness and jamming prevailed."<br />http://www.dead.net/show/november-23-1968 <br /><br />Judging by the small audiences in Ohio, the Dead may not have had an easy time finding Midwest places to play in late 68. <br />Note how this little tour ended - after the Grande Ballroom on 12/1, then we have the Quaker City Rock Festival in Philadelphia on 12/6, then off to Bellarmine College in Louisville on 12/7 - about 6 or 700 miles away, something like an 11-hour drive in one day! (But perhaps they flew.) One gets the impression the Dead were playing anyplace that would have them... <br /><br />Setlists.net has a surprising number of comments on the Hyde Park Teen Center show: <br />http://www.setlists.net/?show_id=0362 <br />Apparently the Teen Center was in an old church building (some say the basement), it was a tiny place, and the audience was packed; thus a couple people mention being deafened by the Dead's amps!<br /> <br />Memories vary, with some reviewers disagreeing with each other: one person says, "It was in the basement of a church and was packed... We waited forever, then the band played only a few songs, then said they had to leave... It was a big disappointment." <br />Another person notes, "Jim Tarbell flew the Dead in from SF for the first nite of two nite shows. The Dead were beat, and I mean tired! Tarbell said the NEXT night was better, of course."<br />What's intriguing is that a couple people say the Dead played there on two nights (the second night free). Of course, this contradicts the handbill, and the Dead could not have played there on 12/1 as they were in Detroit! (Nor would they need to fly from SF, since they were presumably coming from Chicago.) <br />Nonetheless, both Tarbell and one reviewer here remember the Dead being late, and another remembers them being tired...Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18366371.post-71998586051455967092012-01-28T20:05:38.676-07:002012-01-28T20:05:38.676-07:00http://www.deadlists.com/posters/1960s/19681127-5....http://www.deadlists.com/posters/1960s/19681127-5.5x8.jpg. Just because.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18366371.post-50207870349960779742012-01-28T19:28:45.651-07:002012-01-28T19:28:45.651-07:00That is amazing, LIA. Perfect. Wow. Thanks!That is amazing, LIA. Perfect. Wow. Thanks!Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18366371.post-39638590678217591152012-01-28T18:23:31.803-07:002012-01-28T18:23:31.803-07:00I found a confirmation!
At dead.net, one of the ...I found a confirmation! <br /><br />At dead.net, one of the reviews for the 8/11/67 show by "Craig Maceachern": <br />"worked at the grande for 3 yrs......the dead the airplane and procol harum were the best of all.........i remember an airplane show on a sunday nite/2 show nite/ i hid all my friends in the attic so they would'nt have to pay for the second show......well, we got high w/grace, paul and jorma.........jerry and phil and bob sowed up about 12:30 and jammed with the airplane til about 4:00 in the morning.........no shit ........terry reid also played two sets." <br /><br />This comment was left in 2007, and as unlikely as it must have sounded at the time, it fits perfectly. A Sunday night at the Grande Ballroom, two Airplane shows, Terry Reid also playing, members of the Dead showing up unannounced after the second show - I would definitely put this in the CONFIRMED category!Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18366371.post-70935177096709648942012-01-28T14:03:19.069-07:002012-01-28T14:03:19.069-07:00And remember, California natives of this era (and ...And remember, California natives of this era (and Westerners to this day) are prepared to drive distances that would have been (and would remain) almost unthinkable to our Upper Midwest, and more still to our Eastern Seaboard brethren/sistren. Five hundred miles in California gets you from the Bay Area almost to the Mexican border (San Diego) or the northern border (southern Oregon) or the middle of nowhere (if you head anything other than due north or due south). 500 miles is "two towns over". The same is true a fortiori of the West more generally. From Salt Lake, 500 miles is like *one* town over (Denver or Cheyenne). South out of Cheyenne, it's Denver, the Springs, and pretty much then Santa Fe (I don't count Pueblo) -- a pretty serious haul. I have never done the I-90 route at all, nor even I-80 east into Nebraska out of Cheyenne, but there is a shitload of empty space out all those runs west of the Mississippi. Etc. My point is that doing some runs in the 200-400 mile range just wouldn't strike these guys as particularly strange. That's like driving to LA - no big deal.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18366371.post-51117616493335173372012-01-28T13:23:37.273-07:002012-01-28T13:23:37.273-07:00I tried emailing on the address linked at JABase, ...I tried emailing on the address linked at JABase, but got a bounce.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18366371.post-78189942262777175942012-01-28T12:02:23.138-07:002012-01-28T12:02:23.138-07:00Have you tried emailing Scott Abbot about the sour...Have you tried emailing Scott Abbot about the source for the 11/24/68 listing? I see there's a setlist provided, so presumably the same person who gave the setlist reported the Dead's appearance as well. <br /><br />Looking forward to a long post on the Garcia/Jeffersons interactions! All of that hasn't really been gathered into one place yet.Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.com