tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18366371.post1220484740529058241..comments2024-03-15T18:58:45.318-06:00Comments on Jerry Garcia's Middle Finger: JGB at the Warfield: April 21, 1995Fate Musichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18366371.post-47902622399662000762018-08-17T13:40:43.426-06:002018-08-17T13:40:43.426-06:00They might be available for streaming somewhere, b...They might be available for streaming somewhere, but I download lossless copies via Lossless Legs (shnflac.net) using bittorrent. If you look at the "LL Lists" at the top center, you can sort every GD and every JG by date to find a particular show. This one, for example, is available to torrent via <a href="https://www.shnflac.net/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=1eaae1bf34c8572480a1bb00e86f12306d9d4abd" rel="nofollow">https://www.shnflac.net/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=1eaae1bf34c8572480a1bb00e86f12306d9d4abd</a>. It looks like you may already have found that and asked for a reseed, but the way to ask for a reseed there is to start running the torrent, and then make a reseed request in the <a href="https://www.shnflac.net/index.php?page=forum&action=viewtopic&topicid=16974.msg268648#msg268648" rel="nofollow">reseed request thread</a>. Someone always jumps on to help, because it's a great community of people!Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18366371.post-83947971148508764702018-08-16T12:17:38.259-06:002018-08-16T12:17:38.259-06:00Thanks for the great posts, as usual, where are yo...Thanks for the great posts, as usual, where are you able to listen to this and other similar shows?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18366371.post-49894343386715326142017-06-14T07:43:49.517-06:002017-06-14T07:43:49.517-06:00The role of race in Tin Pan Alley is two fold. Fir...The role of race in Tin Pan Alley is two fold. First, it was almost exclusively the province of white men. There were exceptions such as Joseph Stern, who published Irving Berlin's first song (and gave him his name), also published "Lift Every Voice and Sing" by the Johnson brothers, but by and large it was an all white male (and some women) club.<br /><br />Race was a subject of many songs in the first quarter of the 20th century. Those ethnic songs seem incredibly racist today, and while all were not meant in jest, many were. For African Americans, like the Jews, Germans and Italians before them, these songs were a sign that they had joined the nation's melting pot. They were seen (primarily in vaudeville) and heard as the kind of jokes you make about your friends but never someone you don't know. To be clear, there was an innate racism of the time, but a number of "coon" songs were not intended to be pejorative.<br /><br />For instance, Irving Berlin greatly admired the minstrel show and though blackface was part of the American experience, almost like we would view commedia dell'arte. He stood up for Ethel Waters when her costars in his AS THOUSANDS CHEER refused to take a curtain call with a black woman. he wrote a number of wonderful songs for Waters in that show and when he wanted to “inject a serious note into this musical,” he wrote a very powerful song for her. Each number or skit was announced by a headline projected on a curtain above the stage. For “Suppertime,” the headline was “Unknown Negro Lynched by Frenzied Mob.” Waters dressed in simple clothes sang the dirge as a black woman preparing dinner for her children after learning that her husband has been killed. “If one song can tell the whole tragic history of a race,” said Waters, “‘Supper Time’ was that song.”<br /><br />When Berlin wrote THIS IS THE ARMY to support efforts in WWII, he created the first integrated Army unit, and he made it a policy that the unit could only go where all were welcome. <br /><br />I have digressed, but race's role in Tin Pan Alley was, like so much else, nuanced.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04272412177545415108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18366371.post-19575225099303916582017-06-13T18:04:19.333-06:002017-06-13T18:04:19.333-06:00"From the late 1800s to the early 1950s, 28th..."From the late 1800s to the early 1950s, 28th Street between 5th Avenue and Broadway, became known as Tin Pan Alley. Tin Pan Alley was a major publishing hub. Publishing staffs included piano demonstrators, arrangers, staff composers and lyricists. Tin Pan Alley became an assembly line. Current events and developments became the subject of many pop songs. Competition flourished. Success was measured by the sale of sheet music. Around 1913, Billboard Magazine started the first sheet music sales chart. New markets for sheet music opened up, such as department stores and Five and Ten Cent Stores. At the helm were the songpluggers. Today, songplugging is simply referred to as promotion." http://www.musesmuse.com/00001088.html<br />Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18366371.post-11080402483992929712017-06-13T18:02:04.211-06:002017-06-13T18:02:04.211-06:00Anyone know a source tracking data over time on sh...Anyone know a source tracking data over time on sheet music sales? I will Google forthwith.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18366371.post-16350200450189258522017-06-13T17:59:55.089-06:002017-06-13T17:59:55.089-06:00Goodness, that is so neat. I think I am starting t...Goodness, that is so neat. I think I am starting to understand it. Care to comment on one of my own interests, how race plays out in this idiom?<br /><br />The Harvard Dictionary of Music defines it as "Slang term for anything connected with popular song publishing in the United States. The term originated in the early 1900s, when the popular music trade was concentrated on West 28th Street, New York City; it is now largely outmoded" (Apel 1969, 853).Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18366371.post-68554475442908043042017-06-11T17:10:24.853-06:002017-06-11T17:10:24.853-06:00While Russian Lullaby, written in 1926, would be c...While Russian Lullaby, written in 1926, would be considered Tin Pan Alley, songs written in the 1940s should not.That period ended in the late 1920s and early 1930s. I think American songbook might be better, or American Popular Song. Tin Pan Alley was the period when a hit song meant a lot of copies of sheet music were sold. With the onset of radio of records, that world disappeared, although certain aspects continued into the 1950s. I know Dylan claimed that he killed it off when he started writing his own songs, but thee world of Tin Pan Alley was over long before that. The professional songwriter would remain, and although we went through a period in the late 20th century when popular singers and bands wrote their own songs, a look at the same charts todays will find many of the tops songs are written by someone else than the singer. This is 21st century American Popular Song.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04272412177545415108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18366371.post-57796923648345137882017-06-03T18:26:05.623-06:002017-06-03T18:26:05.623-06:00Lonely Avenue. Doc Pomus.Lonely Avenue. Doc Pomus.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18366371.post-40073557480849084342017-05-24T01:06:30.251-06:002017-05-24T01:06:30.251-06:00But it can and should be done!
Til then, though, ...But it can and should be done! <br />Til then, though, at least there are a couple sites listing Garcia's songs alphabetically with composer info, which is a start.Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18366371.post-9312419356801626892017-05-23T11:00:02.183-06:002017-05-23T11:00:02.183-06:00Now, *that* I cannot do. Now, *that* I cannot do. Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18366371.post-17101180600374050332017-05-23T02:55:40.450-06:002017-05-23T02:55:40.450-06:00Someone should make a list of all Garcia's cov...Someone should make a list of all Garcia's covers grouped by genre, song date, and/or region... It might answer questions like, "how many Tin Pan Alley songs did Garcia play?" Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18366371.post-27091023822369845802017-05-22T20:12:32.014-06:002017-05-22T20:12:32.014-06:00https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_Pan_Alley
Yes, ...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_Pan_Alley<br /><br />Yes, you connect up everything I might have been able to think of. It's just "popular" music, or something like that.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18366371.post-5377433468925747322017-05-22T11:08:07.766-06:002017-05-22T11:08:07.766-06:00re That Lucky Old Sun and genre -- would you call ...re That Lucky Old Sun and genre -- would you call it "tin pan alley"? I don't know if that's really considered a genre, per se, but it's a less unwieldy indicator than "pre-R&R/R&B 20th century popular commercial (implied: white?) songwriting" -- Gershwin, Irving Berlin, Cole Porter, Hoagy Carmichael, showtunes, that kind of stuff. Russian Lullaby would be an example (though you could also consider it jazz, given that jazz musicians picked up on it as a vehicle for improvisation), and Lazy Bones is another one, but off the top of my head I can't think of Garcia playing other songs from this vein of American pop music. There must be at least one more, given Garcia's affinity for those songs? There's that story about Garcia being delighted that Steve Parish's uncle(?) was tin pan alley lyricist Mitchell Parish.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11628132999021385676noreply@blogger.com